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Questionable notability per WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. Note that this appears to be a rewrite of a declined draft about the same organization by the same author: Draft:Baloch Yakjehti Committee (BYC). The same issues regarding formal tone appropriate for an encyclopedia noted as problematic in the declined draft seem to afflict this version. Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 22:59, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations, Politics, and Pakistan. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 23:19, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
• Keep: per NORG, though the article should be rewritten. Significant coverage in [https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/baloch-yakjehti-committee-steps-up-efforts-for-national-gathering/ar-BB1q1rdh this] Asian News International article, [https://www.dawn.com/news/1845830/baloch-yakjehti-committee-postpones-sit-in-after-agreement-with-govt this] Dawn article, [https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/baloch-yakjehti-committee-criticises-pakistan-for-atrocities-against-people-of-balochistan/articleshow/111632036.cms this] Times of India article, [https://m.thewire.in/article/south-asia/a-baloch-national-gathering-against-enforced-disappearances-and-human-rights-abuses/amp this] The Wire article, etc. C F A 💬 23:20, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
• :Funny how they left "Sure, here’s how you can add a zone category list to your infobox:" in while copying from ChatGPT. C F A 💬 23:20, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Owen× ☎ 23:05, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

• Merge with Mahrang Baloch: or Baloch Long March. This organization itself may not satisfy SIGCOV — Saqib (talk I contribs) 09:07, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
• :Comment: The Baloch Long March was a past and single event, so it cannot represent the whole BYC. See my comment and the VoA and Al Jazeera sources as justification below. Balochpal (talk) 14:15, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
• Delete or Merge: Fails WP:GNG as many sources listed are from unreliable news sites (some of which I've removed) and also lacks WP:SIGCOV. Would also support content worth merging to Baloch Long March Axedd (talk) 22:09, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

::I disagree. It does meet GNG; the sources just aren't in the article.

{{ source assess table |user=CFA|startopen=yes|

{{ source assess

| source = https://www.dawn.com/news/1845830/baloch-yakjehti-committee-postpones-sit-in-after-agreement-with-govt

| ind = y

| ind_just =

| rel = y

| rel_just = Listed on WP:NPPSG as reliable

| sig = y

| sig_just = About the organization

}}

{{ source assess

| source = https://theprint.in/world/pakistan-baloch-yakjehti-committee-establishes-central-organising-body-mahrang-baloch-chosen-central-organiser/2131286/

| ind = y

| ind_just =

| rel = y

| rel_just = Listed on WP:NPPSG as reliable

| sig = y

| sig_just = About the organization

}}

{{ source assess

| source = https://m.thewire.in/article/south-asia/a-baloch-national-gathering-against-enforced-disappearances-and-human-rights-abuses/amp

| ind = y

| ind_just =

| rel = y

| rel_just = Listed on WP:NPPSG as generally reliable

| sig = y

| sig_just = About the organization

}}

{{ source assess

| source = https://www.geo.tv/latest/556473-baloch-yakjehti-committee-sit-in-enters-third-day

| ind = y

| ind_just =

| rel = -

| rel_just = Listed on WP:NPPSG as "leaning towards reliable"

| sig = y

| sig_just = About the organization

}}

{{ source assess

| source = https://www.newsx.com/world/baloch-yakjehti-committee-to-run-endbalochgenocide-campaign-against-pakistan-atrocities/

| ind = y

| ind_just =

| rel = y

| rel_just = Not listed anywhere, but no reason to assume it's not reliable

| sig = y

| sig_just = About the organization

}}

{{ source assess

| source = https://www.aninews.in/news/world/asia/byc-urges-rights-body-to-intervene-amid-escalating-abuses-in-balochistan20240724190635

| ind = y

| ind_just =

| rel = -

| rel_just = No consensus on reliability

| sig = y

| sig_just = About the organization

}}

{{ source assess

| source = https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/baloch-yakjehti-committee-criticises-pakistan-for-atrocities-against-people-of-balochistan/articleshow/111632036.cms

| ind = y

| ind_just =

| rel = -

| rel_just = No consensus on reliability

| sig = y

| sig_just = About the organization

}}

{{ source assess

| source = https://www.lokmattimes.com/international/baloch-yakjehti-committee-steps-up-efforts-for-national-gathering/

| ind = y

| ind_just =

| rel = y

| rel_just = Not listed anywhere, but no reason to assume it's not reliable

| sig = y

| sig_just = About the organization

}}

}}

:That is a source assessment based on significant coverage by major news outlets. Even if we discount the non-listed or no-consensus sources, there are still three reliable sources that offer significant coverage. They just need to be added to the article when it is rewritten. C F A 💬 23:24, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

::Sources like ANI and Times of India are not reliable for the topic. WP:RSPANI Look here for further information. Any India related news site is unreliable when it comes to political topics about Pakistan as the govt has vested interest involved. Other sources do exist but they fail to demonstrate WP:SIGCOV as of now. Axedd (talk) 00:26, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

:::Yes, which is why I marked them as "No consensus" on the chart above. There are still at least 3 reliable, independent sources that offer significant coverage of the organization, which shows that it meets WP:NORG. We can't say something fails GNG just because other unreliable sources happen to have also covered the topic. C F A 💬 00:31, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

• Keep per user:CFA. Plus, also check other sources like [https://www.voanews.com/amp/protesters-and-military-in-standoff-in-pakistani-city-home-to-china-built-port/7718214.html VoA], [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/7/31/why-protest-by-ethnic-baloch-has-put-pakistans-key-port-of-gwadar-on-edge Al Jazeera], ABC News, etc as they also mention the BYC. Additionally, please fix the capitalization in the article title (with B, Y and C in capital letters).Balochpal (talk) 19:11, 31 July 2024 (UTC) — Balochpal (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

::Hello user:CFA. Can you add the above recent sources, plus [https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/07/pakistan-repeated-punitive-crackdowns-on-baloch-protests-must-end/ Amnesty International], [https://www.arabnews.com/node/2558186/pakistan Arab News] and [https://thediplomat.com/2024/07/with-latest-crackdown-on-protesters-pakistan-continues-to-make-its-balochistan-problem-worse/ The Diplomat], to your table as well? They need to be added to the article also. Balochpal (talk) 16:26, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

• Delete: Per nom as the article fails WP:GNG and is already covered in the Baloch Long March. Ainty Painty (talk) 10:44, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

::Question: as per the [https://www.voanews.com/amp/protesters-and-military-in-standoff-in-pakistani-city-home-to-china-built-port/7718214.html Voice of America], a reliable and authentic source, the Baloch Long March was a past event, not a present event, that happened months ago. (The [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/7/31/why-protest-by-ethnic-baloch-has-put-pakistans-key-port-of-gwadar-on-edge Al Jazeera] news doesn't event mention the long march when discussing the BYC). How would you use it to cover the broader topic of the whole BYC? VoA: {{Tq|Late last year, BYC led a 1,600-kilometer march to Islamabad with families awaiting the return of their loved ones gone missing in the fight between the state and Baloch separatists. Protesters faced severe police action as they tried to enter the capital. Demonstrators, braving the cold for days, eventually left after authorities warned of an imminent security threat.}} Balochpal (talk) 14:03, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:48, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

• The coverage provided by {{u|CFA}} is sufficiently convincing to meet the GNG, so I propose that we keep this article. At the very least, it should be merged with Mahrang Baloch rather than being deleted entirely. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 07:44, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
• :I would not agree with merging as the BYC is a significant political movement and the article on BYC has room for expansion using the existent reliable sources. Yes, Mahrang Baloch is one main leader, but the BYC also has other well-known leaders, like Sammi Deen Baloch, as well as many male leaders. Balochpal (talk) 22:08, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
• ::Balochpal, You don't need to respond to every comment. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 06:57, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
• :::I think there is a conflict of interest due to the name of the deletion subject and the word before pal in their name Felicia (talk) 14:09, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
• ::::Felicia, I have no conflict of interest. My involvement is purely to ensure accurate representation of the BYC, based on verifiable sources (e.g., Dawn, Al Jazeera, Voice of America, The Diplomat, Amnesty International, etc). Balochpal (talk) 14:41, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

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Relisting comment: Final relist. Opinions offered for Keep, Merge and Deletion closures. But I haven't seen a good response to the results in the source analysis table that indicate that GNG is established by a sufficient number of sources.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:00, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

::The table doesn't include the recent sources like Al Jazeera, Voice of America, etc.; also it's missing Urdu language reliable sources. All of of these will make the topic even more notable. Do you think we can update the table? Balochpal (talk) 09:55, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

:::Balochpal, Feel free to create a new table below to mention any coverage that you think could support establishing GNG and add [https://thefridaytimes.com/06-Aug-2024/women-are-at-the-forefront-of-balochistan-s-new-political-hues this one] to the table, as well. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 10:31, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

::::Alright, thanks I will try to create a table. If anyone else wants to make one they're also welcome. Balochpal (talk) 05:49, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

:::::Balochpal, Please address this ASAP, as this is the final relist and the AFD will be closing soon. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 08:45, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

• Delete Fails WP:GNG Although some of the sources maybe reliable but the status of BYC as a notable group or a party is not established. It would be best to merge it with Mahrang Baloch while one of its significant activity is already mentioned in detail in Baloch Long March. Muneebll (talk) 18:52, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
• :I'm not really sure how you could come to the conclusion that the article fails GNG after looking at the sources above. Whether or not it would be better off as part of another page is a different story, but that is an editorial decision unrelated to notability. C F A 💬 14:22, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
• ::Leave it. They have used WP:LLM to generate such irrationale vote. 2A04:4A43:941F:F9C3:392A:B5AA:8C23:285F (talk) 18:32, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
• Updated source assessment table: As discussed with user:Saqib above, here is an expanded and updated source assessment table for the Baloch Yakjehti Committee (BYC) that includes a wider range of sources, including 8 sources (although 2 are in Urdu language) listed on WP:RSP as reliable, and 6 other sources listed on WP:NPPSG as reliable:

{{ source assess table |user=Balochpal|startopen=yes|

{{ source assess

| source = https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/7/31/why-protest-by-ethnic-baloch-has-put-pakistans-key-port-of-gwadar-on-edge

| ind = y

| ind_just =

| rel = y

| rel_just = Listed on WP:RSP as reliable

| sig = y

| sig_just = About the organization

}}

{{ source assess

| source = https://thediplomat.com/2024/07/with-latest-crackdown-on-protesters-pakistan-continues-to-make-its-balochistan-problem-worse/

| ind = y

| ind_just =

| rel = y

| rel_just = Listed on WP:RSP as reliable

| sig = y

| sig_just = About the organization

}}

{{ source assess

| source = https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/3273878/project-woes-spotlight-reliability-pakistan-all-weather-partner-china

| ind = y

| ind_just =

| rel = y

| rel_just = Listed on WP:RSP as reliable

| sig = y

| sig_just = About the organization

}}

{{ source assess

| source = https://www.voanews.com/amp/protesters-and-military-in-standoff-in-pakistani-city-home-to-china-built-port/7718214.html

| ind = y

| ind_just =

| rel = y

| rel_just = Listed on WP:RSP as reliable

| sig = y

| sig_just = About the organization

}}

{{ source assess

| source = https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-68125590

| ind = y

| ind_just =

| rel = y

| rel_just = Listed on WP:RSP as reliable

| sig = y

| sig_just = About the organization

}}

{{ source assess

| source = https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/07/pakistan-repeated-punitive-crackdowns-on-baloch-protests-must-end/

| ind = y

| ind_just =

| rel = y

| rel_just = Listed on WP:RSP as reliable

| sig = y

| sig_just = About the organization

}}

{{ source assess

| source = https://www.independenturdu.com/node/175231

| ind = y

| ind_just =

| rel = y

| rel_just = The Urdu version is not specifically listed anywhere but the English version is listed on WP:RSP as reliable

| sig = y

| sig_just = About the organization

}}

{{ source assess

| source = https://www.dw.com/ur/%D8%A8%D9%84%D9%88%DA%86%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%A7%D9%86-%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%AF%D8%B1-%D9%85%DB%8C%DA%BA-%D8%A8%D9%84%D9%88%DA%86-%D9%82%D9%88%D9%85%DB%8C-%D8%A7%D8%AC%D8%AA%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%B9-%D9%82%D9%88%D9%85%DB%8C-%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%81%D8%B1%D8%A7%DB%81%DB%8C%DA%BA-%D8%A8%D8%AF%D8%B3%D8%AA%D9%88%D8%B1-%D8%A8%D9%86%D8%AF/a-69791503

| ind = y

| ind_just =

| rel = y

| rel_just = The Urdu version is not specifically listed anywhere but the English version is listed on WP:RSP as reliable

| sig = y

| sig_just = About the organization

}}

{{ source assess

| source = https://www.business-standard.com/world-news/baloch-nation-raises-voice-thousands-join-quetta-rally-against-pakistan-124080100081_1.html

| ind = y

| ind_just =

| rel = y

| rel_just = Listed on WP:NPPSG as reliable

| sig = y

| sig_just = About the organization

}}

{{ source assess

| source = https://www.dawn.com/news/1845830/baloch-yakjehti-committee-postpones-sit-in-after-agreement-with-govt

| ind = y

| ind_just =

| rel = y

| rel_just = Listed on WP:NPPSG as reliable

| sig = y

| sig_just = About the organization

}}

{{ source assess

| source = https://theprint.in/world/pakistan-baloch-yakjehti-committee-establishes-central-organising-body-mahrang-baloch-chosen-central-organiser/2131286/

| ind = y

| ind_just =

| rel = y

| rel_just = Listed on WP:NPPSG as reliable

| sig = y

| sig_just = About the organization

}}

{{ source assess

| source = https://m.thewire.in/article/south-asia/a-baloch-national-gathering-against-enforced-disappearances-and-human-rights-abuses/amp

| ind = y

| ind_just =

| rel = y

| rel_just = Listed on WP:NPPSG as reliable

| sig = y

| sig_just = About the organization

}}

{{ source assess

| source = https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/07/31/pakistan-respect-rights-response-balochistan-march

| ind = y

| ind_just =

| rel = y

| rel_just = Listed on WP:NPPSG as reliable

| sig = y

| sig_just = About the organization

}}

{{ source assess

| source = https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Protests-disrupt-Pakistan-s-Gwadar-home-of-Chinese-controlled-port

| ind = y

| ind_just =

| rel = y

| rel_just = Listed on WP:NPPSG as "reliable but shy of controversial stories"

| sig = y

| sig_just = About the organization

}}

{{ source assess

| source = https://www.arabnews.com/node/2558186/pakistan

| ind = y

| ind_just =

| rel = -

| rel_just = Listed on WP:NPPSG as "maybe reliable"

| sig = y

| sig_just = About the organization

}}

{{ source assess

| source = https://www.geo.tv/latest/556473-baloch-yakjehti-committee-sit-in-enters-third-day

| ind = y

| ind_just =

| rel = -

| rel_just = Listed on WP:NPPSG as "leaning towards reliable"

| sig = y

| sig_just = About the organization

}}

{{ source assess

| source = https://thefridaytimes.com/06-Aug-2024/women-are-at-the-forefront-of-balochistan-s-new-political-hues

| ind = y

| ind_just =

| rel = y

| rel_just = Not listed anywhere, but no reason to assume it's not reliable; recommended by user:Saqib above as well

| sig = y

| sig_just = About the organization

}}

{{ source assess

| source = https://www.newsx.com/world/baloch-yakjehti-committee-to-run-endbalochgenocide-campaign-against-pakistan-atrocities/

| ind = y

| ind_just =

| rel = y

| rel_just = Not listed anywhere, but no reason to assume it's not reliable

| sig = y

| sig_just = About the organization

}}

{{ source assess

| source = https://www.aninews.in/news/world/asia/byc-urges-rights-body-to-intervene-amid-escalating-abuses-in-balochistan20240724190635

| ind = y

| ind_just =

| rel = -

| rel_just = No consensus on reliability

| sig = y

| sig_just = About the organization

}}

{{ source assess

| source = https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/baloch-yakjehti-committee-criticises-pakistan-for-atrocities-against-people-of-balochistan/articleshow/111632036.cms

| ind = y

| ind_just =

| rel = -

| rel_just = No consensus on reliability

| sig = y

| sig_just = About the organization

}}

{{ source assess

| source = https://www.lokmattimes.com/international/baloch-yakjehti-committee-steps-up-efforts-for-national-gathering/

| ind = y

| ind_just =

| rel = y

| rel_just = Not listed anywhere, but no reason to assume it's not reliable

| sig = y

| sig_just = About the organization

}}

{{ source assess

| source = https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/1216415-13-baloch-yakjehti-committee-activists-remanded-in-police-custody

| ind = y

| ind_just =

| rel = y

| rel_just = Not listed anywhere (The News International), but no reason to assume it's not reliable

| sig = y

| sig_just = About the organization

}}

}}

:Now that the table lists 18 reliable sources (or even 20, if Arab News and Geo TV are counted too), I believe it clearly demonstrates the significant and widespread coverage of the BYC, which satisfies the WP criteria. Given these sources, the BYC should be considered notable and the article should be kept. Balochpal (talk) 21:08, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

• Keep and rename to Baloch Yakjehti Committee. It was formerly known as Bramsh Solidarity Committee so there is some in-depth coverage ([https://links.org.au/balochistan-birth-movement-transformation-bramsh-solidarity-committees like this journal article directly about it]) under that name. Specifically, WP:NGO is the applicable guideline for this topic and it meets the both conditions quoted below:

:{{tq|1. The scope of their activities is national or international in scale.}} - it is an activist protesting for basic human rights of Balochs - normally, media in Pakistan is not allowed to cover such organizations.

:{{tq|2. The organization has received significant coverage in multiple reliable sources that are independent of the organization.}} - yes, as shown already by multiple keep !voters above. 92.40.63.97 (talk) 18:29, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:DEPTH, WP:Independent coverage It received only a brief wave of coverage during the Baloch Long March. War Wounded (talk) 10:39, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
• War Wounded, {{tq|It received only a brief wave of coverage during the Baloch Long March}} You need to re-check, as the coverage listed above does not all relate to the Baloch Long March. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 11:45, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

{{clear}}

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