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WP:BLP1E. He was one of the journalists who were targeted by the Pakistani government in 2023 under some controversial charges. Most of the sources that discuss those arrests don't talk about Pirzada in any significant depth, which is why most of his career is sourced to primary sources in this article. Since this article has been repeatedly created by sock/meatpuppets, I would recommend salting it as well. Badbluebus (talk) 00:58, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Journalism, Television, and Pakistan. Badbluebus (talk) 00:58, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• Keep. Pirzada appears to be a notable TV host, and his legal troubles go beyond WP:BLP1E. He was [https://www.nation.com.pk/08-Aug-2015/moeed-pirzada-arrested-in-abu-dhabi arrested in 2015]; news coverage of that arrest [https://www.dawn.com/news/1199017 described him as a "renowned TV anchorperson"]. A former Indian Supreme Court judge Markandey Katju [https://indicanews.com/justice-markandey-katju-moeed-pirzadas-garrison-state-speech-in-alabama/ called] him an "eminent Pakistani journalist" while responding to a speech of Pirzada's. His departure from Pakistan seems to have been widely covered. [https://www.aninews.in/news/world/asia/another-pak-journalist-leaves-country-amid-mystery-over-arshad-sharifs-killing20221031174846/] [https://arynews.tv/moeed-pirzada-leaves-pakistan/] [https://dailytimes.com.pk/1020218/moeed-pirzada-left-pakistan-because-of-threats/]. There are a number of other news stories on Google News about him. And these are just the English language results -- no doubt there is more coverage in Urdu. Jfire (talk) 02:57, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• :exactly 101.53.234.144 (talk) 19:42, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
• :{{ping|Jfire}} https://arynews.tv/moeed-pirzada-leaves-pakistan/ seems to be a carbon copy of the Daily Times source I dismissed below as too sparse. The ANI piece is useless for notability (wrong subject). https://indicanews.com/justice-markandey-katju-moeed-pirzadas-garrison-state-speech-in-alabama/ is hardly about Pirzada, instead being a criticism of the Pakistani military (and it's an op-ed to boot). The Nation and Dawn look okay as sources, though The Nation is certainly the weaker source of the two. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 17:21, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
• ::I stand by my assessment that Pirzada is notable as a Pakistani journalist. The lede of the ANI piece is {{tq|Islamabad [Pakistan], October 31 (ANI): Senior Pakistan journalist Moeed Pirzada has left the country and reached the United Kingdom (UK), media reports said on Sunday amid an ongoing row surrounding the mysterious death of a popular Pakistani journalist in Kenya.}} Jfire (talk) 17:32, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
• :::{{ping|Jfire}} The lede doesn't matter much when 85-90% of the article afterward discusses the situation since Sharif's takeover and the only other mention of Pirzada is a quote that name-drops him at the very end of the article. There's literally nothing there to cite that would help the article. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 17:35, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
• :Agreed. Pakistani military regime is tragetting him. He is a renoewed journalist. 125.215.214.137 (talk) 04:19, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

:Delete and salt: per Jeske's excellent source analysis. qcne (talk) 21:09, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

:Not just the Pakistani government, but also the Pakistani military establishment has targeted him. He remains a prominent journalist in Pakistan, with millions of people relying on his political analytical abilities to foresee what is likely to happen in the near future in Pakistan as well as around the globe. This is evident from his YouTube channel, which garners significant viewership from various countries, not just Pakistan. His page may require some, or even a lot of, improvements, but these improvements can only happen if the page is allowed to exist and remain open for public contributions. Deleting his page would be unfair. Aqsa Qambrani (talk) 20:13, 28 January 2025 (UTC)— Aqsa Qambrani (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. {{#if:|A sockpuppet investigation is open at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/{{{spi}}}.{{sp}}|}}

• Keep. Not just the Pakistani government, but also the Pakistani military establishment has targeted him. He remains a prominent journalist in Pakistan, with millions of people relying on his political analytical abilities to foresee what is likely to happen in the near future in Pakistan as well as around the globe. This is evident from his YouTube channel, which garners significant viewership from various countries, not just Pakistan. His page may require some, or even a lot of, improvements, but these improvements can only happen if the page is allowed to exist and remain open for public contributions. Deleting his page would be unfair Aqsa Qambrani (talk) 20:15, 28 January 2025 (UTC){{Duplicate vote|Aqsa Qambrani}}

::thank you so much Isaqibrana (talk) 21:05, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

• Keep. Moeed Pirzada is a prominent politics investigative journalist from Pakistan and has been in the media industry as senior anchor & columnist for over 16 years. He already had wikipedia page for years on wikipedia but recently the page was deleted after years being on wikipedia, deleted specially after he became a victim of Pakistan Regime 2022 with several other Pakistani journalists. The previous wikipedia page deletion shows how current administration does not want him to be a public figure, I believe even the previous deletion of his page was against freedom of information. He is being targeted by current administration in Pakistan. After being banned from entering Pakistan and banned on mainstream media, he choose to spread his voice using social media and currently have over 3 million people follow him with over 30 million active views. He also conducted interview with former British Prime Minister. QuantumThread (talk) 23:58, 29 January 2025 (UTC)— QuantumThread (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. {{#if:|A sockpuppet investigation is open at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/{{{spi}}}.{{sp}}|}}
• Delete and salt. There are shenanigans going on with this page (see the creator of Draft:Moeed Pirzada [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moeed_Pirzada&diff=prev&oldid=1271709442 removing the G4 deletion template and copy-paste-moving the draft page's content into this page simultaneously]). But even without the shenanigans, this subject does not clear WP:GNG or WP:NBIO for a standalone page. Almost all of these sources are to Pirzada's own writings or to other non-independent sources. The couple of sources that are both independent and reliable are not WP:SIGCOV of Pirzada. Dclemens1971 (talk) 04:03, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
• :millions of people are relying on his political analytical abilities to foresee what is likely to happen in the near future in Pakistan as well as around the globe Isaqibrana (talk) 21:08, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
• :Mr. Pirzada qualifies to be on Wikipedia and definitely meets the criteria for WP:GNG or WP:NBIO.He is a credible and well-informed journalist in Pakistan. While I acknowledge that there is room for improvement, this can be achieved by allowing open contributions and ensuring that citations come from independent sources rather than his own blog. for your reference please have a look https://www.economy.pk/top-10-news-anchor-in-pakistan/. Pirzada is one of the top journalists of Pakistan. Aqsa Qambrani (talk) 21:21, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

:Mr. Pirzada qualifies to be on Wikipedia and definitely meets the criteria for WP:GNG or WP:NBIO.He is a credible and well-informed journalist in Pakistan. While I acknowledge that there is room for improvement, this can be achieved by allowing open contributions and ensuring that citations come from independent sources rather than his own blog. for your reference please have a look https://www.economy.pk/top-10-news-anchor-in-pakistan/. Pirzada is one of the top journalists of Pakistan 101.53.234.144 (talk) 19:44, 1 February 2025 (UTC) — 101.53.234.144 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. {{#if:|A sockpuppet investigation is open at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/{{{spi}}}.{{sp}}|}}

Mr Moeed Pirzada is very well known and respected world renowned Political Analyst, Journalist,TV anchor / Host, and an author. His name should not be deleted from wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neunad (talk • contribs) 05:26, 30 January 2025 (UTC) — Neunad (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. {{#if:|A sockpuppet investigation is open at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/{{{spi}}}.{{sp}}|}}

• Keep: as per Jfire (talk). He's done much better explanation above. Behappyyar (talk) 21:34, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
• Delete and salt per Dclemens1971. Nothing has changed since previous AfD. They have also published a lot of spam via globalvillagespace.com on Wikipedia. Too much waste of volunteers time. Gheus (talk) 00:07, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

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Relisting comment: Relisting. We have very divided opinion here right now and much of it is just opinion. Can we get a source review?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:33, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

• Delete - There's no divide once the sock votes above are struck. This was previously decided at AfD and I do not see anything since that one which shows how this qualifies for a page. Based on the SOCK activity and bludgeoning, I would also recommend salting. --CNMall41 (talk) 06:13, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
• Delete and salt the earth - This article has been a target of a meatpuppetry operation (see WP:Sockpuppet investigations/PhoebeAfrin), and regardless of the obvious meatpuppets crawling out of the woodwork I see mostly sources with a connexion to him, and what doesn't have a connexion is too sparse for this article or an unverified YT video. There's jack here to work with. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 19:24, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

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Relisting comment: I am entirely ignoring the sock/meat campaign to keep this article, but there remain two valid keeps that haven't been rebutted directly - tempting as it is to delete an article purely because it is the subject of an off-wiki campaign, that isn't based in policy either.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vanamonde93 (talk) 03:20, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

• Keep: Hi, I am participating in the discussion again because my previous comment was deleted. I created this page to preserve the subject's legacy. He is a household name for millions of Pakistanis around the world. After receiving threats due to his political views, he went into exile but continued his journalistic work. He started vlogging and using new media as an alternative to traditional legacy media. He writes articles and collaborates with other prominent figures, and his geopolitical views are widely appreciated.

He is also one of the few pakistani anchors who has interviewed major global personalities, including Hillary Clinton and Benazir Bhutto (the first female Prime Minister of an Islamic country)Aqsa Qambrani (talk) 15:54, 9 February 2025 (UTC) — Aqsa Qambrani (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. {{#if:|A sockpuppet investigation is open at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/{{{spi}}}.{{sp}}|}}

:{{ping|Aqsa Qambrani}} Spamming arguments does you no good. We do not accept notability-by-osmosis as a valid argument, so everything about his collaborations and who he interviewed means literally nothing as far as notability goes. And while there are source that do verify he was threatened and went into hiding, those sources otherwise don't say anything about him specifically, which is a very serious problem for the article's chances. In fact, I'm going to straight-up Bastard Helper From Hell the sources in the article in order to rebut your argument:

:* We can't use https://pakistaninsiders.wordpress.com/category/sochta-pakistan/ (no editorial oversight). Random, unattributed Wordspot blog.

:* https://video.dunyanews.tv/index.php/en/pv/tonight-with-dr-moeed-pirzada/14090 is useless for notability (connexion to subject). He was directly involved in its creation. Get used to seeing this particular judgment.

:* https://islamabadliteraturefestival.com/speakers/moeed-pirzada/ is useless for notability (connexion to subject). I doubt the Oxford University Press would have an article on a random author unless they were publishing his work.

:* https://www.voanews.com/amp/pakistan-urged-to-drop-absurd-mutiny-charges-against-journalists/7137691.html is useless for notability (wrong subject). Article is about the suppression of journalism in Pakistan, and says nothing significant about Pirzada other than that he is one of the targets. Of the three times his name appears in this piece, two of them are quotes.

:* We can't use https://dunyanews.tv/amp/english/758335.php (too sparse). Practically too short to cite, not helped by the piece being written in a hideously redundant manner.

:* https://www.sipa.columbia.edu/alumni is a non-sequitur.

:* We can't use https://www.urdupoint.com/profiles/moeed-pirzada-185.html (unknown provenance, too sparse). Uncredited profile with barely anything worth citing on it.

:* https://moeedpirzada.pk/profile-2/ - and anything else on moeedpirzada.pk - is useless for notability (connexion to subject).

:* We can't use any of the four YouTube channel links (connexion to subject, website homepage).

:* We can't use https://www.khaleejtimes.com/search?q=Author+Moeed+Pirzada (too sparse). We don't cite search results. Same applies to https://tribune.com.pk/author/1719/moeed-pirzada , https://www.nation.com.pk/columnist/moeed-pirzada and https://dailytimes.com.pk/writer/dr-moeed-pirzada/

:* https://www.britishcouncil.pk/programmes/society/next-generation is a non-sequitur.

:* https://ipripak.org/potential-of-pakistans-soft-power-and-public-diplomacy/ is useless for notability (too sparse). This is basically an extended quote/attribution of views to him and doesn't say anything about Pirzada specifically beyond paraphrasing his presentation. That isn't anywhere close to enough.

:* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi27MzgIu-I is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Note that TED Talks are, as a general rule, glorified op-eds.

:* All three of the State Department sources are useless for notability (connexion to subject, gov't document). All are transcripts of interviews he conducted, and government sources are, by default, primary sources that cannot be used by themselves, especially in the context of a biography of a living person.

:* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQkXD9mCNIc is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Interview where he is the conductor.

:* https://southasianvoices.org/the-subcontinental-podcast-episode-8-a-conversation-with-dr-moeed-pirzada/ is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Podcast episode where he is a guest.

:* We don't cite Xitter or any other social media (no editorial oversight). This can only be used in a WP:ABOUTSELF manner, never for notability.

:* We can't use https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FVGKOJB9zM (unknown provenance). This is the first YouTube video you cite that isn't (from) a verified channel.

:* https://dailytimes.com.pk/1020218/moeed-pirzada-left-pakistan-because-of-threats/ is borderline at best. Given Pakistan's suppression of journalists I'm willing to overlook the byline, but there's nothing really here to work with beside that. Half the article is paraphrasing of stuff Pirzada said while the other half is incredibly perfunctory description that's barely worth citing.

:* We can't use Medium (no editorial oversight).

:* https://www.globalvillagespace.com/about-15000-killed-in-ethnic-confrontations-in-sudan/ is a non-sequitur. (Pirzada is not credited for the piece and if he were, the source would still be unusable due to its having been written by him.)

:* We can't use https://lums.edu.pk/sites/default/files/2022-06/Academic_Report_2021_22.pdf (connexion to subject, too sparse). Report from a university he worked for.

:You have one borderline source that would barely pass muster. Literally everything else is some degree of uncitable for one reason or another. Notability is far from being met. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 16:43, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

::@Jéské Couriano Thank you very much for your comment and shedding light into it, will this work https://justicekatju.com/the-bravery-of-moeed-pirzadathe-bravery-of-moeed-pirzada-fc1f62df49b0 or https://tribune.com.pk/author/1719/moeed-pirzada or this https://www.khaleejtimes.com/opinion/dont-hang-him . I did not mean to spam and if it went against policy I am sorry for it. If my given links still are inadequate then you could me one right example then I may work on it. In khaleej time they qoute in the last lines as "Moeed Pirzada, a broadcaster and political analyst with GEO TV, has been a Britannia Chevening Scholar at London School of Economics & Political Science." I am hoping it helps. Thank you Aqsa Qambrani (talk) 20:45, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

Comment. A quick rebuttal on sources per the relister's statement (although I only see one valid "keep" that needs rebuttal, since one of the "keep" !votes is a WP:PERX:

• First of all, I completely endorse Jéské Couriano's source assessment.
• Aqsa Qambrani's "keep" rationale is entirely baseless. There is no reason to {{tq|preserve the subject's legacy}} per WP:NOTMEMORIAL. And interviewing notable persons does not confer notability per WP:NOTINHERITED.
• Third, a review of Jfire's proposed sources: [https://www.nation.com.pk/08-Aug-2015/moeed-pirzada-arrested-in-abu-dhabi One] is signed by "{{tq|our staff reporter}}" and [https://arynews.tv/moeed-pirzada-leaves-pakistan/ two] [https://dailytimes.com.pk/1020218/moeed-pirzada-left-pakistan-because-of-threats/ others] are signed by "{{tq|web desk}}"; unbylined content from South Asian outlets is a red flag for unreliable sourcing. [https://indicanews.com/justice-markandey-katju-moeed-pirzadas-garrison-state-speech-in-alabama/ Indica News] devotes a few sentences to Pirzada before going on broader commentary on the Pakistani military. The [https://www.aninews.in/news/world/asia/another-pak-journalist-leaves-country-amid-mystery-over-arshad-sharifs-killing20221031174846/ ANI] and [https://www.dawn.com/news/1199017 Dawn] stories on his 2015 arrest and later departure from Pakistan appear to be brief WP:ROUTINE news items; I don't think these meet the test of WP:SIGCOV. I appreciate Jfire bringing these sources to the discussion, and while I usually agree with them about AfD outcomes, in this case I just don't see a compelling case for WP:GNG or WP:NBIO, and I do see efforts to game the system and disrupt the discussion (by other editors, not Jfire). In light of that, I think SALTing and thus requiring a future submission to through AfC would be the best outcome. Dclemens1971 (talk) 19:13, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

:@Dclemens1971 Thank you very much for your comment here is my say, wikipedia expects the journalist notablity only if they meet General Notability Guideline (GNG) criteria which is

:*Be independent of the journalist

:*Have significant, in-depth coverage

:*Be published in reliable, well-regarded outlets

:to which I state he meets those criteria evident from these links https://tribune.com.pk/author/1719/moeed-pirzada , https://www.khaleejtimes.com/opinion/dont-hang-him , and https://vidiq.com/youtube-stats/channel/UCnkYymEbl1qZ0VhGrzH9guw/?utm_source=chatgpt.com . These three links particularly the first Tribune covers his geopolitcal analysis which proves his experties in international political anaylsis commentary. In esteemed internation publication Khaleej times , his publication proves his journalistic ability and strenght. Moreover his interviews with prominent international figures like former U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, David Cameron (former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom), and former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto.

:The following link https://vidiq.com/youtube-stats/channel/UCnkYymEbl1qZ0VhGrzH9guw/ showcases his acceptance in the public by adopting to the new media. Also his work has been cited by some major organisation for instance , the interview of Clinton he conducted its transcrpit is archived on the official U.S. Department of State website , Tedx talk a platform known for featuring influential thinkers and leaders has featured him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi27MzgIu-I, Iam qouting tedx talk here "Moeed Pirzada is a prominent political commentator, TV Anchor, columnist and influential blogger in Pakistan. He advises government and key public sector organizations on communication strategies and has worked with international organizations as consultant on issues related to policy and governance. He is currently Director of Governance & Policy Advisers (GAPA) and is Editor Strategic Affairs and lead Anchor for Dunya News, where he hosts his popular show:Tonight with Moeed Pirzada." These altogather make GNS requirment fullfilled. I hope it helps Aqsa Qambrani (talk) 21:24, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

::GNG does not say that the subject of the biography needs to be published in reliable outlets, as in having their articles published in a reputable news website. It says that he or she must be talked about on reliable outlets. Also, funny how you were recently unblocked after promising not to use WP:CHATGPT, and now the second link you pasted here says utm-source="chatgpt.com". Badbluebus (talk) 21:51, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

:::Yes I was unblocked to not use AI for for communication purposes but I believe I can use AI as a tool to do research. Chatgbt help finding source of information but to extract what you require is still your job. Comming to your first argument , Moeed pirzada is a jouranalist not an actor , scientist or politician for journalists to write on him .He writes on on other people and I see alot of journalist are existing on wikipedia despite alot less achievements than Moeed Pirzada for instance Asma Shirazi , Mansoor Ali Khan , Waseem Badami , Sana Bucha , Gharida Farooqi, syed Talat and list goes on.

:::I hope it helps Aqsa Qambrani (talk) 01:33, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

::::It doesn't. This is the same notability-by-osmosis claim I explicitly called out above, and trotting it out again isn't going to be any more defensible than it was the first time - in fact, it's less so after my source assessment. WP:NAUTHOR (which NJOURNALIST redirects to) says nothing about the calibre of people the subject has written about contributing to a subject's notability. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 06:54, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

::This comment betrays no understanding of GNG. Being a TEDx speaker is not notable; it is a brand that gets applied to hundreds of local conferences that feature numerous speakers of no distinction or notability. His YouTube channel stats page is (a) a WP:PRIMARYSOURCE and (b) not GNG-qualifying coverage. The links to the [https://tribune.com.pk/author/1719/moeed-pirzada Tribune] and to [https://www.khaleejtimes.com/opinion/dont-hang-him Khaleej Times] are articles by Pirzada, not coverage of him, and thus completely useless for GNG. This page amounts to an aggressive effort to promote a non-notable individual, and Aqsa Qambrani's participation in this AfD has brought forth not one qualifying source. Dclemens1971 (talk) 22:11, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

:::As I explained in my prevous comments he is journalist , reporter and anchors who gives news writes on other things. For journalist 's notablity will be he has been able to publish his articles in renowed and well established meida outlets and have hosted prime Tv shows (news). Tribune , Khaleej Times featring his articles is something and can not be termed as useless for GNS. There is nothing promotional all facts are sourced with references and all. I am giving you my point of view. The names i have mentioned before have page , how do they qualify to be there can you kindly shed light on it? Aqsa Qambrani (talk) 01:45, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

::::@Badbluebus and @Dclemens1971 , I am attempting to prove the articles written on him if that what you were looking for https://justicekatju.com/the-bravery-of-moeed-pirzadathe-bravery-of-moeed-pirzada-fc1f62df49b0 his inteview cited here https://www.dawn.com/news/1713281 in Dawn news , Friday times covered him https://thefridaytimes.com/26-Apr-2023/i-studied-internet-law-at-lse-moeed-pirzada-to-welcome-nasim-zehra-s-defamation-case and https://thephilox.com/the-inanity-of-moeed-pirzada/ Aqsa Qambrani (talk) 02:31, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

:::::{{ping|Aqsa Qambrani}} In order:

:::::* https://justicekatju.com/the-bravery-of-moeed-pirzadathe-bravery-of-moeed-pirzada-fc1f62df49b0 has been discussed and dismissed above; it's on Medium which is unusable as a source for want of editorial oversight.

:::::* https://www.dawn.com/news/1713281 is useless for notability (too sparse). Name-drop. This is a hinky source in the first place regardless of context as it's almost entirely what Imran says.

:::::* https://thefridaytimes.com/26-Apr-2023/i-studied-internet-law-at-lse-moeed-pirzada-to-welcome-nasim-zehra-s-defamation-case is useless for notability (too sparse). Whatever information in here is attributed claims, rather than discussion of Pirzada.

:::::* We can't use https://thephilox.com/the-inanity-of-moeed-pirzada/ (unknown provenance). Role byline, and this reads like an op-ed.

:::::Have you read any of the criticisms the people arguing for deletion have said? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 07:04, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

::::::@Jéské CourianoYes I have, I am sorry for oversight. Did you have chance to look at the exmples I have given? In my last comment . This one (Yes I was unblocked to not use AI for for communication purposes but I believe I can use AI as a tool to do research. Chatgbt help finding source of information but to extract what you require is still your job. Comming to your first argument , Moeed pirzada is a jouranalist not an actor , scientist or politician for journalists to write on him .He writes on on other people and I see alot of journalist are existing on wikipedia despite alot less achievements than Moeed Pirzada for instance Asma Shirazi , Mansoor Ali Khan , Waseem Badami , Sana Bucha , Gharida Farooqi, syed Talat and list goes on.

::::::I hope it helps Aqsa Qambrani (talk) 01:33, 10 February 2025 (UTC)) Aqsa Qambrani (talk) 11:01, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

:::::::{{ping|Aqsa Qambrani}} I invite you to reread every comment I've said in responce to you. You're making the same debunked argument every single time, and it's not helping your case. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 18:16, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

::::::::Thank you for your valuable comments @Jéské Couriano. After revisting your comment , I have a few links which mgiht help us understnad the notability of the subject https://institute.aljazeera.net/en/ajr/article/2780 ,https://www.dawn.com/news/694659/www.tupernic.com, https://www.dawn.com/news/1759895 ,https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/9/2/pakistan-blocks-tinder-other-dating-apps-over-immoral-content and https://www.bignewsnetwork.com/news/273014828/another-pak-journalist-leaves-country-amid-mystery-over-arshad-sharif-killing . Aqsa Qambrani (talk) 21:48, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::{{ping|Aqsa Qambrani}} The first link we've discussed on IRC (okay).

:::::::::* https://www.dawn.com/news/694659/ is useless for notability (too sparse). Name-drop, no details to cite.

:::::::::* https://www.dawn.com/news/1759895 is useless for notability (too sparse). No real discussion of them beyond being booked. No discussion of Pirzada.

:::::::::* https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/9/2/pakistan-blocks-tinder-other-dating-apps-over-immoral-content is useless for notability (too sparse). Quote, no discussion of Pirzada.

:::::::::* https://www.bignewsnetwork.com/news/273014828/another-pak-journalist-leaves-country-amid-mystery-over-arshad-sharif-killing has been discussed and dismissed; this is the exact same content-wise as Arynews and The Daily Times.

:::::::::Other than the institute.aljazeera.net source, all the rest are unusable. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 23:52, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::I beg to differe about ARY News (https://arynews.tv/moeed-pirzada-leaves-pakistan/) ARY news is one of the bigest legacy media houses in Pakistan , its realaile. Aqsa Qambrani (talk) 10:54, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::::{{ping|Aqsa Qambrani}} We do not judge a source's worth solely by the outlet it is run in; if that were the case the Dawn and al Jazeera sources would be good. We have to judge the sources based on their actual content as well, and that is where you keep coming unstuck. Of the multitude of sources I've looked at in this discussion, only one is unambiguously any good based on its outlet and its content. That's fatal for any topic, and doubly so for biographies of living people, where the sourcing requirements are stricter. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 16:25, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::::I got your point its not about big or small media house its about coverage the subject is given, the last link of ARY is solely covereing mooed pirzada' then current state. In my humble opinion , it would be best if you could give me one correct example then it will help me alot and I will stop getting stuck. Preferably the correct example ( Mansoor Ali Khan , Waseem Badami , Sana Bucha , syed Talat and list goes on) should say thier page should be here beacuse of this coverge Aqsa Qambrani (talk) 17:11, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::::::You cannot use the presence, absence, or condition of other (tangentially-related) articles to argue for this one. If you're concerned about all those other articles, drag them to AfD one by one. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 18:31, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::::::if that the rule it should be across the board (applied to every single biography) it shouldnt be applied on handpicked articles , or it may point out to personal preference. Hence either make it omni-law or just abondon it. Aqsa Qambrani (talk) 22:20, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::::::::{{ping|Aqsa Qambrani}} If you have time to bellyache about them, you also have time to either improve them (since clearly you care enough about them to attempt to use them as rhetorical grenades) or to nominate them for AfD yourself. There's more articles on Wikipedia than there are active editors by a few orders of magnitude. I don't think I need to explain how logistics works to point out just how unworkable the argument you just made is, which is why Articles for Deletion exists to begin with. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 06:46, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

:::::::@Aqsa Qambrani: Please see also WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, which is part of Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions. GoingBatty (talk) 21:19, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

::::::::Thanks @GoingBatty , I apprecaite your efforts to point that out, I have provided keep comment , the other discusion was due to @Jéské Couriano Kindly responded me saying I might be spamming the discusion and then clarification after clarification and misunderstanging from my side has led us here. I just wanted to keep the page , but I know it can not saty if doesnt meet criteria. I see it as an oppurtunity to learn what ever outcome may come out of it. Aqsa Qambrani (talk) 21:25, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: I don't find mentions of this individual beyond lists of journalists the government went after. Sources are as explained, mostly non-RS, primary and trivial mentions. We aren't a memorial for people. Oaktree b (talk) 23:00, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

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