Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Secret Pakistan

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Just a BBC documentary film on Pakistan, I do not see how this satisfies WP:NF or why it needs a stub article of its own. The documentary has [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Secret+Pakistan%22&btnG=Search+Books&tbm=bks&tbo=1 zero] academic coverage. Mar4d (talk) 07:05, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

• Strong Keep This article needs work, yes, but so what?

1. This exposé/documentary, which reveals Pakistan's alleged links to enemy forces in Afghanistan, is significant insofar as it forced Pakistan to [http://tribune.com.pk/story/299928/bbc-taken-off-air-in-pakistan-by-cable-operators/ ban BBC World News] owing to its “anti-Pakistan” content. And you say it's not notable enough?
2. [https://www.google.com/search?as_eq=wikipedia&q=%22Secret+Pakistan%22&num=50 google search] gives more than 100,000 hits.
   Are you being sarcastic? Mrt3366 ^{(Talk page?)} {{plain link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?action=edit&preload=User_talk%3AMrt3366%2Fnew_section&editintro=&preloadtitle=§ion=new&title=User_talk%3AMrt3366&create=Post+a+new+comment+on+my+talk+page ^{(New section?)}}} 07:38, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

:::And not surprisingly, how many of those "100,000 hits" are about the documentary? It has [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Secret+Pakistan%22&btnG=Search+Books&tbm=bks&tbo=1 zero coverage] in academic sources. Mar4d (talk) 07:55, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

::::That is up to you to discern. But I would say, sufficiently many are about the secret pakistan documentary. Mrt3366 ^{(Talk page?)} {{plain link|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?action=edit&preload=User_talk%3AMrt3366%2Fnew_section&editintro=&preloadtitle=§ion=new&title=User_talk%3AMrt3366&create=Post+a+new+comment+on+my+talk+page ^{(New section?)}}} 08:43, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

::::A documentary broadcast 9 months ago is hardly likely to be covered in academic sources, which typically have a lead time of more than a year. Press coverage is however sufficent. --Colapeninsula (talk) 09:52, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

• Keep It has surely many sources. Clearly notable. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^{Talk Email} 08:50, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
• Keep Many sources (I've added some to article). Coverage of TV program[http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/reviews/last-nights-viewing-secret-pakistan-bbc2-the-impressions-show-bbc1-6256354.html][http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2011/oct/25/tv-highlights-frozen-planet-bbc1][http://realscreen.com/2011/10/26/bbc-doc-aims-to-reveal-secret-pakistan/][http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8848305/Pakistan-still-running-Taliban-training-camps.html]. Ratings[http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/nov/03/frozen-planet-david-attenborough-bbc1]. Coverage of subsequent row over program[http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=78762&Cat=2][http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/9970950][http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/nov/30/bbc-blocked-in-pakistan][http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/columns/16-Mar-2012/pakistan-in-snare-of-bbc-s-recklessness][http://tribune.com.pk/story/299928/bbc-taken-off-air-in-pakistan-by-cable-operators/][http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8927804/Pakistan-cable-TV-operators-block-BBC.html] and CSM article previously cited. Also lots of info on BBC website if you want background info (credits, etc) to improve the article. --Colapeninsula (talk) 09:50, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
• Keep Obviously notable, when a state begins to ban and censor documentary's it is an obviously noteworthy thing to have an article on. Facts, not fiction (talk) 12:19, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 20:02, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 20:02, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

• Snow Keep and allow continued improvements per WP:NRVE. I note that WP:BEFORE shows that the topic met WP:GNG and WP:NF before being nominated for deleition... and simply needed work. And to the nominator, film topics NEVER need "academic coverage" in order to be ascertainable as notable. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 20:47, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
• Snow Keep{{spaced ndash}} Per WP:NRVE and because the topic passes WP:GNG. Examples include: [http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/reviews/last-nights-viewing-secret-pakistan-bbc2-the-impressions-show-bbc1-6256354.html], [http://realscreen.com/2011/10/26/bbc-doc-aims-to-reveal-secret-pakistan/], [http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/Pakistan-dismisses-BBC-claims-on-supporting-Taliban/articleshow/10541985.cms].

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:{{mdash}}Northamerica1000^(talk) 21:25, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

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