:Talk:Birgit Hogefeld

Okay, in short, evidence countering the theory that Grams shot Newrzella exists. Namely that the ammunition supposed to have dealt the deadly wound was 9mm police issue and that Grams used a different type of weapon. Another note, I've never before heard that the informer was supposed to have been an infiltrated GSG9 member, I've never even heard of GSG9 being used for infiltrations (they are poorly suited for that task). The informer in question is well known (by first name) and his involvement is one of the aspects of this incident that places a very bad light on the entire police intervention. He was as much as I know never a member of the RAF, only a supposed sympathiser who on occasion provided sleeping places and minor material support. But all of this is going from memory (I last checked the case several years ago and considered contacting Hogefeld for some research...).--Caranorn 13:21, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

:Hey Caranorn can you get some sources for all this info? I'd really appreciate it, thanx! ~ Unfortunate

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User septrillion reverted my edit which changed "served" to " was a member of" the RAF.

I would like an explanation as to why we would use "served" here, which I am familiar with from "served in vietnam" "served in the military".

The RAF was a terrorist organisation (you marked my edit as NPOV?) And I am quite sure we don't need to discuss that.

Would you say "yes, Ahmed served with Al Qaida in falluja"? I wouldn't, hence the need for a discussion. If you look up "Beate Zschäpe" you will find her "a member of" the NSU, and I see that there is a double standard here.

176.11.30.10 (talk) 19:53, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Additionally, if you look up Wolfgang grams, Christian klar and others, they were all "members of the RAF". Some of them are even called "terrorists" in the description (hogefeld is a "German criminal?). The only different I found is Ulrike meinhof, she is called a "far left militant".

I understand that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, but if you are convicted for terrorism in a western world court and even repent and discuss your acts, "former terrorist" instead of "criminal" should be in order, none the least because she served her jailtime and should at the very least be a "former criminal" now.

176.11.30.10 (talk) 20:17, 14 July 2018 (UTC)