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Reference #16 is a broken link - should point to this: https://www.sciencehistory.org/distillations/our-mutual-friend. 115.70.185.113 (talk) 11:26, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

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and {{tl|pronounciation}} Dew (talk) 14:08, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

:File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 15:48, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

::@Dew, can you give us a link to the recording? WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:50, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Candy is a term used in the US and Canada, as is sweets in the UK and lollies in Australia. However as per the Confectionery page, its correct name is Sugar Confectionery. Would it not be correct to use that terminology, because of the different common names, so the lead reading: Sugar Confectionery, alternatively known as Candy in the US and Canada, Sweets in the United Kingdom and Ireland, and as Lollies in Australisia, is a confection that features sugar as a principal ingredient. Davidstewartharvey (talk) 21:48, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

:No. As the talkpage notice states, this article is written in American English. Meters (talk) 21:58, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

::However, this is not an exclusive American subject and should be written in neutral language as we are a world-wide encyclopedia. American English notice is more in relation to the spelling, and Confectionery also has the same notice and as per that article, "The words candy (Canada and US), sweets (UK, Ireland, and others), and lollies (Australia and New Zealand) are common words for some of the most popular varieties of sugar confectionery." Davidstewartharvey (talk) 05:49, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

:::Irrelevant. It's certainly not an exclusively British subject either, so the article should stay in whichever version of English is was first written in, and that is American English. The common name of is topic in American English is "candy". Meters (talk) 07:30, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

::::But the confectionery article is written in American English, and that does not state there are two forms of confectionery, "baked confectionery and candy". Davidstewartharvey (talk) 07:45, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

::That doesn't mean that the title is correct Sharnadd (talk) 20:04, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

• I am open to exploration. In North India I believe that people often call them sweets, but the Hindi / Indian English word "mithai" may be more common. Also, some of the foods which the article describes are not what I as a United States person would call candy, but instead are what I would call sweets or something else. {{ping|Davidstewartharvey}} If you wish to further develop the case then I would talk more. Could you perhaps identify some authoritative sources and see what terms they use? Bluerasberry (talk) 12:42, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
• :Mithai when translated into English is sweets, with India like many Commonwealth countries using the British phrase because of their Colonial past. South Africa also use Sweets and Chocolate bars like the UK. However, I am asking people should we use the formal name, Sweet Confectionery, as this is used on the Confectionery page, and should we not standardise? I am not asking should every Candy be removed and replaced by the formal phrase. Davidstewartharvey (talk) 14:49, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

:No, I don't think we should do this. The shortest explanation is "because Ice cream is Sugar confectionery but not Candy". WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:58, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

::But as per the confectionery article "sometimes ice cream", and as per the ice cream page, ice cream primary ingredient is milk or cream, not sugar, which is the primary requirement to be confectionery. If you do a search on the net, most have Ice Cream and sweet confectionery as separate things. Perfect example is in Industrial Applications of Soil Microbes, ISBN:9789815039962, page 45, which describes the Biopolymer Levan as "For the production of Sweet Confectionery and Ice Cream as a viscofier and stabiliser". The statement in the sweet article "sometimes ice cream" links to page 1 of The Science of Sugar Confectionery, however this does not state Ice Cream is sweet confectionery, and as per the book says "Because Sweet Confectionery keeps well without refrigeration" it should not be in the article. Davidstewartharvey (talk) 06:47, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

:::* You haven't proposed "sweet confectionery"; you proposed "sugar confectionery".

:::* That ice cream is "sometimes" considered sugar confectionery is enough to make that a less suitable name.

:::* All of the central articles related to candy (e.g., Confectionery, Candy, Hard candy) happen to be written and titled in American English. I understand that you think that's undesirable – we get someone from England every year trying to re-write one or the other to reflect British English (e.g., that the article Candy should only discuss products such as boiled sweets and not chocolate) – but the titles need to match the contents, and the titles need to meet the usual WP:CRITERIA of being recognizable, natural, precise, concise, and consistent. "Sugar confectionery", though an established term of the art, is neither recognizable nor natural for most readers – including you, I'd guess, since you keep typing "sweet confectionery" instead.

:::WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:05, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

::::You clearly haven't read what is saud correctly. The section which ice cream is in relates to the quote i have provided, which does not state that ice cream is a sugar confectionery so is inaccurate, and on any search of sugar confectionery books you don't get ice cream. Secondly, im am not here as a Brit saying we should name it sweets, i am saying that the article should be renamed Sugar Confectionery. Anybody who would search Candy or Sweets would be redirected to that page so the common name argument doesn't count. We are an encyclopedia for the world and we should try to be neutral on subjects that are world-wide. Davidstewartharvey (talk) 17:53, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::Your version of "neutral" appears to mean "don't use American English". WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:35, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::To give an example, here are the [https://faolex.fao.org/docs/pdf/guy211856.pdf legal definitions from Guyana]:

::::::* “confectionery" includes baked confectionery, chocolate confectionery and sugar confectionery

::::::* “sugar confectionery" means any solid or semi-solid food suitable for human consumption without further preparation or processing and which is composed principally of sugar with or without the addition of edible oil or fats, milk products, gelatin, edible gums, nuts, fruits, natural or synthetic flavours, food additives, food colours or preserved fruit and includes sugar-cake, sweetened liquorice and chewing gum, but does not include chocolate confectionery, sugared baked marzipan, meringues or sweetened flavoured powders which may be used in the preparation of soft drinks

::::::The first definition tells us that ice cream is not being handled as a separate category. The second one tells us that ice cream is included, because it is a "semi-solid food suitable for human consumption without further preparation or processing and which is composed principally of sugar with...the addition of...milk products" – and not one of the items that is excluded from sugar confectionery.

::::::The problem of classification is pervasive. When chocolate is handled as a separate category, white chocolate is often put back in sugar confectionery. Licorice contains flour but isn't a flour confectionery. Meringue is flourless but is usually a flour confection (because it is baked). Ice cream doesn't contain flour, but was once classified as flour confectionery (in the US). Sugar-free lollipops are sugar confectionery, except when they're considered a completely separate category. Marzipan is a candy in some places, but as you can see from the definitions above, in Guyana, it's sugar confection if it's eaten before it's baked and flour confection after it's baked. Twix is marketed as a candy bar everywhere, but it is officially taxed as a cookie (chocolate-coated biscuit) in some jurisdictions. And that's before you get the intentionally category-crossing items: A Baked Alaska combines ice cream, cake, and meringue. Is that a sugar or flour confection, and does its classification change if you add a sugar decoration on the top, or if the ice cream is chocolate flavored? Some jurisdictions treat chocolate ice cream as chocolate confectionery, rather than as a dairy product or a sugar confectionery or putting all ice cream in a separate category.

::::::In short, "sugar confectionery" is (a) a fuzzy, complicated, variable category, and (b) not the subject of this page. Wikipedia:Article titles and scopes may be of interest to you. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:05, 6 May 2025 (UTC)