:Talk:Luke Ravenstahl

The reference to John Banaszak winning multiple Super Bowls with the Steelers is obviously relevant given the fact that Ravenstahl is the mayor of the city of the team for which Banszak played. We're not talking about a little league team, but the champions of the NFL. If you thought the Banaszak reference was an aside, then why didn't you remove all references to Banaszak? In any case, this connection between Ravenstahl and Banaszak is an intriguing piece of trivia with regard to Ravenstahl's personal life.

I have his highschool yearbook picture around here somewhere... should I scan it in? :-)

65.78.93.141 19:54, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Unless it can be proven, the following statment expresses a borderline non-neutral point of view and has little to no relevance to an encyclopedic entry:

"...positions often associated with the blatant nepotism and cronyinsm so often attributed to government in Pittsburgh."

Please cite sources and re-word so as to sound factual and un-biased, rather than an (be it modest) attack on the integrity of public service in Pittsburgh. Also, cronyism has been spelled wrong, but it is not my place to correct the error, since I don't believe the statement should be there in the first place. (Sinisterminister 20:23, 5 January 2007 (UTC))

:It's bullshit POV, and it has been removed. Good job assuming good faith, but it was part of a series of vandalism. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 08:24, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

It is inappropriate for someone who works for the city of Pittsburgh to blank an article simply because it documents the mayor's scandal. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 00:55, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm a reporter for WTAE-TV in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania. A web version of one of my reports is cited as a source in the Wikipedia entry on Pittsburgh Mayor Luke Ravenstahl, but the citation's summary is mistaken. The Wikipedia entry--under the sub-heading "Controversy"--says:

"The rumors spread to other Pittsburgh politics blogs and then to the mainstream media, forcing Ravenstahl to go public to dispel the rumors."

That's not correct.

The entry's 'footnote 12' links to the following article on WTAE's ThePittsburghChannel.com:

[http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/10786616/detail.html]

That article says:

"In less than 24 hours, the claims exploded across the Internet, spreading to other Pittsburgh blogs and sites...McIntire's blog forced Ravenstahl to go public to dispel the rumors."

Within that Pittsburgh Channel article (a staff rewrite of my TV story), you can view video of my original January 18, 2007 report on WTAE:

[http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/video/10786729/index.html?taf=pit]

In it, I reported:

"His blog forced Mayor Ravenstahl to go public with his answer to those rumors. It was the mayor's response that triggered mainstream media coverage and a spotlight on those claims. " (Emphasis added.)

The Wikipedia entry as written suggests that the news media reported unconfirmed rumors and that there was no incident.

The Mayor himself personally confirmed that there was an incident. We only reported on the rumors stemming from the incident to the extent that the mayor had chosen to make public comments disputing them. See the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and Pittsburgh Tribune-Review articles linked below.

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Pittsburgh Post-Gazette:

[http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07019/755128-53.stm]

"Ravenstahl admits to but makes no apology for incident at 2005 Steelers game"

"Mayor explains run-in with cop"

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Pittsburgh Tribune-Review:

[http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/cityregion/s_489306.html]

"Ravenstahl admits to scrape but denies using his political sway"

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I'd prefer not take on the role of editing the entry myself, but I'm offering the information here for consideration by those who monitor this 'talk' section.

Thanks.

--Bob Mayo, "The Busman's Holiday"

[http://thebusmansholiday.blogspot.com]

Bob Mayo 4 20:43, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks for bringing this up - I think I've fixed the wording so its more accurate. Do you think so? Have a good one! Wickethewok 03:35, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

:It looks improved enough to pass. For FA, however, the article needs a full copyedit and the references need to be properly formated. Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 13:47, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I email Ravenstahl's media people, asking them for permission to use a headshot photo for the infobox. No response yet--maybe someone else can try?--TheZachMorrisExperience (talk) 07:20, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Why not? Grsz¹¹ 00:55, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

• 'Cause he didn't really change his name! It is a Steeler stunt. Like how Greenburg "changed" their name to "Steelersburg" for Super Bowl XL (since Green is a Seahawk color). Also, for Super Bowl XXX, Dallas Avenue in Squirrel Hill became Steelers Avenue. Everyone stop trying to move the page.--Protocop (talk) 01:08, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

:: Don't worry, it's now move protected. --Matt (talk) 01:22, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

:::If you fill out papers, how is that not changing your name? [http://www.wpxi.com/sports/18478637/detail.html]. Grsz¹¹ 01:31, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

:::: From [http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs2008/news/story?id=3832512], "On Wednesday morning, the mayor began, but did not complete, an official name change petition, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported." So his name is still legally Ravenstahl. Please stop changing it to Steelerstahl in the article. --Matt (talk) 01:38, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

steel ist englisch für stahl.

paid for by: dowd would never be this humiliating 09

Under "Criticism and Controversies", the lot of the business surrounding former Ravenstahl "development czar" is contained as a bullet within "Other Controversies". I think that might deserve a heading of its own. It surely has been the most serious and long-winded controversy of the administration, more so than Banner-gate and questionable use of the police vehicle.

Am new to Wikipedia so am uncomfortable editing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.75.154.138 (talk) 00:40, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

{{user|205.141.129.33}}, which is an IP address belonging to the Pittsburgh city government and which has a lengthy history of COI edits, began [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Luke_Ravenstahl&action=historysubmit&diff=447707900&oldid=447066995 editing in tandem] with {{user|Username7891}} on 31 August on the article Luke Ravenstahl. While some of the edits appeared non-controversial, others appeared to be attempts at white-washing or POV-pushing. (Edit: I do not intend to pass final judgement in saying that; I'm sure there are legitimate neutrality issues to work out, as there are in any article. But notably, the changes made were all flattering to Ravenstahl, including the deletion of [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Luke_Ravenstahl&diff=447704300&oldid=447703825 legitimate sourced material].) I have chosen to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Luke_Ravenstahl&action=historysubmit&diff=447710701&oldid=447707900 roll back] all of these edits so that we can bring the matter forward for discussion. I also left COI notices on the talk pages of both editors. However, as I type this, I see that {{user|Username7891}} has [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Luke_Ravenstahl&action=historysubmit&diff=447711224&oldid=447710701 resumed editing] the article. I will invite both users to this talk page to discuss the issue. —Bill Price (nyb) 19:43, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Update 1: {{user|Username7891}} has responded to my concerns by simply [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Luke_Ravenstahl&action=historysubmit&diff=447712794&oldid=447712744 undoing my reversion]. I hope that he or she plans to follow up with a written response. Regardless, I will solicit the attention of the Pittsburgh WikiProject in resolving the issue. —Bill Price (nyb) 19:56, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Update 2: {{user|Username7891}} is still continuing to edit the article, which implies that he or she does not intend to communicate on this talk page. I have gone to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#Luke_Ravenstahl http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#Luke_Ravenstahl] to seek further advice. —Bill Price (nyb) 20:11, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Update 3: Some of the edits made by {{user|Username7891}} contain copyright infringements, such as [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Luke_Ravenstahl&diff=447716537&oldid=447715017 one], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Luke_Ravenstahl&diff=447714834&oldid=447713359 two]. I have [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AUsername7891&action=historysubmit&diff=447716626&oldid=447716542 warned the user], but have not reverted any of the edits, because I do not intend to engage in edit-warring. —Bill Price (nyb) 20:18, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

{{user|Civil585}} is presently a single-purpose account which has so far edited Luke Ravenstahl in only positive ways. These edits have not been disruptive like the edits of {{user|Username7891}} were—at least, not so far. I will keep an eye on this. —Bill Price (nyb) 15:27, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

{{user|Civil585}} added [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_Ravenstahl#Pittsburgh.27s_Third_Renaissance Pittsburgh's Third Renaissance] today. The section is written in a non-neutral tone which is complimentary to Ravenstahl. I wish to repeat my earlier concern that Civil585 is possibly one of the previously-blocked editors who were suspected of conflicts of interest. —Bill Price (nyb) 19:32, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Links #17 and 18 are dead as of January 10th, 2012. However, I could not figure out how to edit in the [dead link] note.46.236.70.14 (talk) 12:08, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

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