:Talk:Roy Smeck

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{{dyktalk|16 July|2006|entry=...that Roy Smeck's virtuoso ukulele performance in the 1926 sound film "His Pastimes" sealed his reputation as "Wizard of the Strings"?}}

{{backwardscopy|url=http://www.ukulele.org/?Inductees:1997-1998:Roy_Smeck|title=Roy Smeck|org=Ukulele Hall of Fame|date=publication date unknown|comments=This article was created in 2006, at which time the Ukulele Hall of Fame had very different text for Smeck. (You can see it [http://web.archive.org/web/20060622094931/http://ukulele.org/inductee.html in archive] by hovering over his picture.) Beyond that, one of the key things we look for is a sign of natural evolution. We have that here. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Roy_Smeck&diff=next&oldid=63728683 Here], for instance, the original order of paragraphs is rearranged - more into the order we find at the external site. It makes more sense that they copied from a later version of our article than that the original editor copied the content in a different order and then put it back. We see more content added that will eventually make its way to the site: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Roy_Smeck&diff=next&oldid=63731105], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Roy_Smeck&diff=next&oldid=97542832]. Evidence suggests that they have based some of their biography on our article. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 00:50, 27 August 2013 (UTC)}}

Birth/death dates

Birth/death dates per ssdi. Some sources give 4 April for death date. Jokestress 04:03, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Possible Copyright Violation?

{{copypaste | url=http://www.ukulele.org/?Inductees:1997-1998:Roy_Smeck}}

I was working on a biography and realized that the wording was almost identical, same order, etc., flags that someone had been copying someone.

First of all, it is entirely possible that this a reverse copy job and there isn't a problem. I don't know how to go about figuring that out at this point.
Second, if it is a problem, I want to work on a re-write and don't want the work to disappear, have it pegged to my sandbox or something, but not deleted.

The possible issue is with [http://www.ukulele.org/?Inductees:1997-1998:Roy_Smeck The Ukulele Hall of Fame Museum - Roy Smeck page]

The Ukulele Guy - Aggie80 (talk) 19:49, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

:Thank you for noting the issue. :) It looks like a backwards copy to me, for the reasons explained above. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 00:50, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Jazz?

{{u|EddieHugh}} removed mention of Smeck as a jazz musician. I'm not sure I'd agree. What sort of music was he playing with King Oliver? --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇} 22:21, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

:For how long did he play with Oliver? EddieHugh (talk) 20:24, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

::Not long. [https://books.google.com/books?id=gkTyj4jqDcQC&pg=RA1-PA1928&lpg=RA1-PA1928&dq=%22king+oliver%22+%22roy+smeck%22&source=bl&ots=Vgpn2OVQYv&sig=ACfU3U0-qWXr3xvkBQ9Ko_SkqqoSn6JFHg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwicl7WQ-vnmAhXXB80KHayhB1oQ6AEwCHoECAsQAQ#v=onepage&q=jazz&f=false This book] does attempt to refute "the theory of some musical revisionists that Roy Smeck was never a jazz guitarist of any stature". --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇} 21:21, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

:::Unfortunately, the book was self-published. In my very limited reading of it, I didn't see much of a case for claiming that he was a jazz guitarist of any stature, despite the line that you quoted. I was here to deal with old tags (cn from 10 years ago in this case) in jazz articles and found no mention of jazz in the article, so cut the infobox and categories that mentioned jazz... and then I removed the jazz project too. I'm not bothered if you restore the article to the jazz project, but please add some sourced information to support his being a jazz musician (not just someone who was influenced by jazz or occasionally played in jazz bands) to justify the inclusion. EddieHugh (talk) 22:08, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

::::Why does he have to be a "jazz player of stature"? Part of the difficulty here is that Smeck was a very eclectic player; I'm not sure how I would classify his compositions. The current categorization here (country, ragtime, Hawaiian) is inadequate; "country" seems a bit odd, too. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇} 23:01, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

:::::He doesn't have to be a jazz player of stature, but he should be someone who was more than peripherally associated with jazz. Occasionally playing in bands that are strongly associated with jazz, while not actually being a jazz musician, isn't enough (for me, anyway). "Sui generis" in the infobox? Or just leave it blank? EddieHugh (talk) 12:25, 11 January 2020 (UTC)