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The result was: promoted by Allen3 ^talk 11:43, 19 March 2013 (UTC).

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==Irving Sayles==

... that the coon songs of vaudevillian Irving Sayles elicited multiple encores in Tasmania?

:* Reviewed: Lillian Lawrence

Created by Gobonobo (talk). Self nominated at 17:26, 4 March 2013 (UTC).

16px Article was created last five days and is long enough. Whilst the hook is properly cited, the article in general lacks sufficient inline cited sources.

:*16px Inline citations have been provided for passages marked as needing them. Gobōnobō ⁺ ^c 13:16, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

:**16px Inline citations provided. Dan arndt (talk) 07:51, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

ALT ... that the coon songs of African American vaudeville performer, Irving Sayles elicited multiple encores in Australia?

::If we wanted, we could be specific and use Hobart as the place for the encores, which is supported by the citation. I think African American is a good addition but am partial to the 'vaudevillian' wording. How about something like:

:ALT2 ... that the coon songs of African American vaudevillian Irving Sayles elicited multiple encores in Tasmania?

::Gobōnobō ⁺ ^c 06:24, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

:::Alt2 is fine but I would probably retain Australia rather than Tasmania (Tasmania being a state of Australia) as it is more recognisable. Dan arndt (talk) 07:15, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

:16px The term coon songs is provocative; I would temper it:

:ALT3 ... that the racist coon songs of African American vaudevillian Irving Sayles elicited encores in Australia?

::Cmprince (talk) 17:25, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

:*16px It's been over a week without action. Needs a new reviewer to check the issues raised. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:20, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

16px For Alt3 since I agree that Australia will be more recognizable than Tasmania. I don't know if adding "racist" actually tempers the use of "coon song" since racist is a loaded phrase in and of itself. However its presence coupled with the description of Sayles as African-American certainly heightens the "punchiness" of the hook. I'll leave it to the DYK promoter to decide whether or not to keep the "racist" adjective because the hook/article can be promoted without it too. Did some slight tweaking to add section headings to the article so it looked less like a macro-stub. Date and size verified and passes DYK criteria for referencing with additional inline added to address previous concerns. No signs of plagiarism or close paraphrasing. Agne ^Cheese/^Wine 21:51, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

:*FYI, encore links to a disambiguation page. Gobōnobō ⁺ ^c 00:12, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

:::Doh! I missed that it was linked in Alt3. I went ahead and unlinked it from the hook since I personally don't think it is needed (the fewer wiki-links, the better) and noted that in the original hook it wasn't linked. Agne ^Cheese/^Wine 01:57, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

::::As the original reviewer (and the one who suggested ALT2) don't see a problem with de-linking 'encore' (agree, that we should try not to over wiki-link) and I don't think the term 'racist' adds anything to the DYK. Dan arndt (talk) 03:22, 19 March 2013 (UTC){{#if:yes|

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