:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fr. John Corapi

Was tagged for speedy deletion as nn-bio, but the original author requested to have it brought to AfD, so that's what I'm doing. No vote. howcheng {chat} 22:09, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, I would have speedied. What does "perpetually professed" mean? Would be more meaningful if the name of the actress was mentioned and there was some citation. User:Zoe|^(talk) 22:17, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

::No vote. "Perpetually professed" is a term-of-art within religious orders, meaning committed forever, but it's true of all Roman Catholic priests (as well as all Roman Catholic nuns who have made a "solemn profession" rather than a "simple profession", which can be for a given time rather than forever), so its emphasis in the article is a bit peculiar. - Nunh-huh 00:28, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

• There are over 15,000 google hist on "Father John Corapi". I think that this man is actually notable, but the current article does a very poor job of indicating the reasons for his notability. Weak Keep DES ^(talk) 22:43, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, Fr. Corapi, never told of the actresses name, for privacy reasons. It was only on Wikipedia for a few minutes before being nominated for Speedy Deletion. Thanks to DESiegel, it is now going under a major edit. (If as the creator of the article, I am not allowed to vote, please conside my vote a "No Vote") Thanks. -Tony 23:01, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Article creators are generally allowed to comment and "vote" normally, of course their natural views in favor of their articles are generaly alowed for. I will be done editing in a realtively short time. The previuous version drew rather too closely on some published accounts of Fr. John Corapi's life, was IMO rather PoV, and said more about his life before becommign a priest than about his preaching afterwards, which is what he is IMO notable for. I am working on that now. DES ^(talk) 23:22, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
• I have finished my rewrite. i think this man's notability is rather more clearly estqablished. DES ^(talk) 23:58, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as nn-bio; if kept requires aggressive cleanup (e.g. saying that an ordained minister preaches qualifies for an official "so what?") [ Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg AfD? 00:20, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
• Saying that he preaches is not notable, sayign that he has regular radio and television appearences, and that recordings of his work are widely sold is not. Far from every ordained priest or minister can verifiably say those things, I think. -DES 01:14, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
• I don't think I completely understand your arguement...Tony 01:29, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
• My argument is that he is considerably more notable than your comments imply. He seems to have in effect become somethign of a Catholic televangelist -- at any rate a very popular lecturere and speaker, in paerson, in recordings, and on both radio and television broadcasts, as well as a popular writer, at least within a certian Catholic niche. That is far more than simply saing that he "preaches". He has had at least some mainstream news coverage, and easily passes the google test. I wish that I had found an outside assesment/review of his work by soemone who did not sound so much like a partisan -- I suspect one is out there, but it wasn't in the first few pages of google hits. The article still needs work, but it is now much less PoV and IMO pretty clearly establishes at least basic notability. DES ^(talk) 17:02, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
• Okay, I think I understand you now. Thank you. Tvaughn05 05:30, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
• The point being that in an article on a preacher it is superfluous to say that he preaches, it kind of goes with the job and in context looks rather desperate, as if there is nothing more that can be said about him. - Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg AfD? 12:20, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
• But not all priests are preachers. Unlike most Protestant clergymen, a lot of Catholic priests never actually get to preach to a congregation. They work all sorts of other jobs within the church. So it doesn't hurt to be specific. Kafziel 14:04, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep-A bit marginal, but not enough so to be a weak keep. He gets recent hits at [http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=%22John%20Corapi%22%20&btnG=Google+Search&sa=N&tab=wn Google News], 2 hits at [http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&lr=&safe=active&q=%22John+Corapi%22&btnG=Search Google Scholar], and has a CD at Amazon[http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1570585342/qid=1137470193/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-7244289-3211260?s=books&v=glance&n=283155]. Apparently somewhat important in the world of American Catholics even if I've not heard of him.--T. Anthony 03:57, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

::Correct that. I think I've seen him on TV before, but I didn't recognize the name.--T. Anthony 03:59, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. I've heard of him, and I'm not even Catholic. The article needs work, that's for sure, but he's notable enough. Kafziel 04:50, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Being one of the top 100 Catholics of the 20th Centuy seems to merit inclusion. Stifle 11:37, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, "popular lecturer and radio broadcaster" and #98 on the Catholic top 100. Kappa 17:39, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Kappa and Stifle. . .th rewrite seems to have sufficiently established his notability beyond that of a typical clergy member. TMS63112 20:07, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

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