Help talk:Interwiki linking/Archive 1

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  • 07:16, 24 September 2006 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (One-letter prefixes (as a live check on the table): {{for|call=If interwiki link show|a|b|c|d|e|f|g|h|i|j|k|l|m|n|o|p|q|r|s|t|u|v|w|x|y|z}})
  • 07:08, 24 September 2006 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (→Project titles and shortcuts - add wikiversity, don't know if there is a long form too; column for project name is missing)
  • 03:08, 4 June 2006 Meta:User:Omniplex (Talk (→Project titles and shortcuts - wikipediawikipedia (who's so crazy to use this, anywhere ?))
  • 01:13, 4 June 2006 Meta:User:Omniplex (Talk (→Interlanguage link - replace unclear stuff by a somple explanation (I hope))
  • 13:21, 22 May 2006 User:84.9.204.220 (→Project titles and shortcuts - corrected probable table row error)
  • 09:59, 5 April 2006 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (→Prefixes - while w: and en: from Meta lead to the English Wikipedia's main page, w:en: does not work)
  • 23:38, 4 April 2006 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (→Interlanguage link - restore wikia example, updated (page is not only about wikimedia) o)
  • 14:31, 4 April 2006 Meta:User:Omniplex (Talk (→Prefixes - koin with main chapter, add w:Wikipedia:Interwikimedia linking table)
  • 17:44, 17 November 2005 Meta:User:Uncle G (Talk (Fixed hyperlinks that break when this page is copied to other projects.)
  • 19:13, 26 October 2005 User:66.48.2.197 (→Interlanguage link (software feature))
  • 08:44, 4 August 2005 Meta:User:Danielwang (Talk (→Wikicities - Revert. The change was announced in wikicities:Talk:Interwiki_map#No_more_Wikicity_interwikis. wikicities:Help:Interwiki link was updated for this after my first change here.)
  • 07:53, 15 July 2005 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (→Wikicities - restore, this is how it is explained on Wikicities itself; if there are exceptions, please demonstrate them with links)
  • 11:18, 29 May 2005 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (→Interlanguage link (software feature) - (oddly, there is not even a hover box).)
  • 11:10, 29 May 2005 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (→Interlanguage link (software feature) - With section editing they appear in the preview if they are in the section being edited.)
  • 09:44, 17 May 2005 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (→See also - *wikisource:Wikisource talk:Language domain requests - Discussion of upcoming transition to language subdomains.)
  • 09:39, 17 May 2005 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (→See also -**Wikisource talk:Language domain requests - Discussion of upcoming transition to subdomains.)
  • 21:33, 14 May 2005 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (→Interlanguage link (software feature) -*six Wikicities projects, see wikicities:c:WikiMac:WikiMac:About)
  • 18:36, 14 May 2005 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (For the Wikicities family of over 300 projects there is a unified system of interwiki linking: within the family the prefix is the internal project name, from outside, e.g. from Wi)
  • 14:58, 21 April 2005 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (→Interlanguage link (software feature) - *wikisource:Template:InterLingvLigoj)
  • 09:59, 21 April 2005 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (→Interlanguage link (software feature) - A link to the project itself (hence also a link to the page itself), even if referred to with the project prefix, appears in-page.)
  • 10:57, 22 March 2005 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (*wikisource:Wikisource:Scriptorium/Language domain proposal - discussion of pros and cons of having a separate subdomain for each language.)
  • 11:01, 13 March 2005 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (→Interlanguage link (software feature) -The mutual order of interlanguage links is preserved, but otherwise the positions within the page are immaterial.)
  • 01:50, 8 February 2005 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (→See also -*Interwiki links to the same page are different from the Esperanto Wikipedia)
  • 11:56, 11 September 2004 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk ({{h:interwiki linking}}: new name: the name needs to be reserved on other projects, therefore the prefix)
  • 10:23, 1 September 2004 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py- →checkout -wikipedia/phase3/maintenance/interwiki.sql?content-type=text%2Fplain&rev=1.6)
  • 10:09, 1 September 2004 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (For a given project the namespace prefixes can not also be used as code for an external project. However, the prefix used for a target project may coincide with the prefix for the project namespace wi)
  • 09:31, 1 September 2004 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (rm " Currently only the first such link in a page is shown in the sidebar.", not correct)
  • 09:19, 1 September 2004 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (The link label depends only on the sister project that is linked to, not on the page; it is set in the configuration of the project, typically it is the name of the language in that language.)
  • 09:08, 1 September 2004 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (For a multilingual family of similar projects, with one project per language, a system for interlanguage linking can be set up.)
  • 08:58, 1 September 2004 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (Within each project, interwiki linking to a page of another project is possible with internal link style, with a prefix for the other project ("prefixed internal link style"). For)
  • 13:00, 24 July 2004 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (The feature can also be used on an image description page, to link to the same or a similar image in a sister project. Other interwiki links to images require the prefixed colon.)
  • 08:45, 19 July 2004 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (The exceptions apply for linking to those projects, not for linking from them.)
  • 08:27, 19 July 2004 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (The languages that have a Wikipedia and (possibly empty) Wiktionary that are not on the list (commented out) are Klingon (artificial) and Serbocroatian (obsolete). Interwiki links to these appear in t)
  • 07:54, 19 July 2004 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (→Interlanguage link (software feature) - including languages which have no Wikipedia or Wiktionary yet, but for which the feature potentially applies, i.e. applies after the wiki has beem created,)
  • 07:44, 19 July 2004 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (→Prefixes -this works for all existing Wikipedias ([http://wikimedia.org/langlist list of codes]) and Wiktionaries (same list))
  • 06:47, 19 July 2004 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (The list of language codes for which this feature applies, with local and English name of the language, is [http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/wikipedia/phase3/languages/Names.php?rev=1.1.2.2&view)
  • 22:32, 18 July 2004 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (→Interlanguage link (software feature) - and to one in the (currently empty) Klingon Wiktionary:)
  • 22:25, 18 July 2004 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (→Interlanguage link (software feature) -An exception is a link to a page in the w:Klingon Wikipedia, that appears in the page body anyway, e.g. tlh:tlhIngan Hol; see also [[Artificial lang)
  • 07:37, 17 July 2004 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (→Prefixes -BUG, work in progress? - wikibooks:Main Page - Wikibooks - Currenly does not work, leads to nonexisting http://en.wikibooks.org/)
  • 23:57, 15 July 2004 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (**especially useful in the case of a page used in the template, so that on the referring page the link label can explain what the link target is.)
  • 23:47, 15 July 2004 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (Therefore this kind of link is mainly suitable for linking to the corresponding page in another language, and multiple links to the same other language can usually better be avoided.)
  • 23:40, 15 July 2004 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (Note that a page that might be used as a template, even if it is in an other than the template namespace, is not very suitable for an interlanguage link: such a link appears in the edge of the page th)
  • 12:11, 15 July 2004 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (→Interlanguage links -An interlanguage link in the wider sense includes what, for the software, is a regular link, also an internal one on projects which are shared by different languages: Meta, Wi)
  • 11:55, 15 July 2004 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (→Interlanguage links - The link label can not be controlled, it is the name of the language in that language. The target is only shown in the hover box and the status bar, depending on the browser.)
  • 14:59, 10 July 2004 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (The simplest interwiki links consist of the prefix only; they lead to the Main Page.)
  • 21:37, 5 July 2004 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (*as demonstrated above by the double prefixes, links may cumulate, thus enabling links that are not possible with a single prefix:)
  • 16:01, 5 July 2004 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (**wikisource:Main Page (works from Meta; from en:, oddly, one has to use meta:wikisource:Main Page))
  • 08:54, 18 June 2004 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (Google:Searchterm. A list of sites is at [http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py- →checkout -wikipedia/phase3/maintenance/interwiki.sql?content-type=text%2Fplain&rev=1.6], see also Interwiki map)
  • 08:47, 18 June 2004 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py- →checkout -wikipedia/phase3/maintenance/interwiki.sql?content-type=text%2Fplain&rev=1.6)
  • 08:21, 18 June 2004 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (Many wikis allow the prefixes WikiPedia and MetaWikiPedia, which are in http://usemod.com/intermap.txt . Linking from a CamelCase-wiki to a page that contains spaces in its title typically requires su)
  • 07:35, 18 June 2004 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (Prefixed internal link style is also possible for links to various wikis outside Wikimedia, even if they use different software, e.g. Wiki:WelcomeVisitors and MeatBall:MeatballWiki.)
  • 06:22, 18 June 2004 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (unfortunately, internal link style is not even possible between the Wikipedia and the Wiktionary of the same language, except in the case of English.)
  • 23:10, 17 June 2004 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (Only links within a project may show as broken, leading to the edit page. Existence is not shown for links to pages of other projects, until the link is applied.)
  • 13:35, 23 September 2003 Meta:User:Patrick (Talk (copied from Meta.wikipedia.org technical issues (please complete/update))

= From Meta:Help talk:Interwiki linking =

Interlinking between files

Interlinking between files - this information needs to much easier for the newbie to find for the commons to actually be useful to other wikimedia projects. I had to go to about ten different help pages before I found this piece of information, which should be very easy to find. The less dedicated user would just give up. Cheers 150.203.230.27 23:08, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Link to Wikinfo

Is it possible to put up a link to Wikinfo? I'd say that as many as 50% of my red links in articles are to people who wouldn't pass the 'notability' threshhold. If a person is in a more specialized dictionary (like the Canadian Encyclopedia of Music or the New Brunswick Literary Encyclopedia), then I'll put in an EL to that encyclopedia; but other, more senior editors have complained about that EL's in body text, referring me to WP:EL (which I've read), and one has even tried removing them. EL's to Wikinfo would be no better; a bit worse, actually); but interwiki links to Wikinfo look like a solution. George Dance (talk) 17:04, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

:These would have to be external links, because Wikinfo is not run by the WikiMedia Foundation. -- John of Reading (talk) 18:10, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

::Then they'll have to be EL's. I can't see any other way to satisfy the double standard. George Dance (talk) 01:36, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

:::It already exists; viz: Wikinfo:Encyclopedia gives Wikinfo:Encyclopedia, or, using a piped link, OR welcome gives OR welcome. Voilà.

:::A linking mechanism to external websites which is very similar to interwiki linking can be established through Meta:Interwiki map where almost 400 of those are defined. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:17, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Commons category

Can a link be set up to allow Wikipedia to link to Wikicommons without a redirect on Template:Sister_project_links e.g. Jesus currently redirecting to commons category via commons:Jesus? Can a commons cat: be established? Nirvana2013 (talk) 14:13, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

:We already have this: see {{tlx|commons category}}. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:49, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

::Yes I have used this. The problem arises when using Template:Sister_project_links. Here the link goes through to commons, not commons cat, which they say "are taken from Help:Interwiki linking". Nirvana2013 (talk) 16:40, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

:::{{tlx|Sister project links}} obtains its links from the page name, alternatively from certain parameters, not from any interwikis. When placed on Jesus, by default the commons link will be to commons:Jesus (in what commons refer to as "gallery space"). This link can be disabled, by specifying {{para|commons|no}} - or it may be amended, by using the same parameter but specifying a different value. So, in {{tlx|Sister project links}}, you could add {{para|commons|Category:Jesus}}. There is no point to this though, because commons:Category:Jesus is presently a soft redirect to commons:Category:Jesus Christ - which is the same page that commons:Jesus redirects to. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:06, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

::::Thank you. Nirvana2013 (talk) 17:40, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Interwiki table log

I've been puzzled for some time that Special:Log/interwiki does not show changes to the interwiki table like it does on other wikis, even though there is most certainly an interwiki table and there have been changes to it. I looked at Wikipedia:Interwiki hoping I would find something to shed some light on this, but instead I was redirected to this page. Does anyone know what became of the interwiki table log? Cathfolant (talk) 22:37, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Interwiki

The help page gives a lot of information on how interwiki links used to be generated prior to 2013, but there is almost nothing about how to do it now.

The only info I found is "Pages with their interlanguage links on Wikidata display an "Edit links" button under the language list." Can somebody give me advice how to add an interlanguage link if there is still no language list? For example Czech Wikipedia has the Edit link button even if the list is still empty, but here the button appears only if there have been some languages listed before. Thanks. Jan.Kamenicek (talk) 06:29, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

:Recently I have the same problem. Now I just add them the old way and wait for a bot to fix it. Agathoclea (talk) 11:13, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

the archive of this talk page is faulty ?

Hej,

Could someone please fix the archive of this talkpage, if feasible ? Currently it does not show the archive's table of content, but the version history or sth. like that. Searching the archive results in http-timeout for me.

I am sure my doubt resp. misunderstanding has been discussed before, so would want to avoid re-discussion/-asking. thanks. Pardon my German (Fiiiisch!) (talk) 18:31, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

:{{replyto|Fiiiisch!}} It is an odd-looking page, but I don't think it is faulty. It is a correct copy of the material that was removed from the talk page in [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help_talk:Interwiki_linking&diff=193913247&oldid=175592570 this edit in 2008]. It is a listing of the editors who contributed to the page from which Help:Interwiki linking was copied; that gives them appropriate credit. See "Copying within Wikipedia" for more.

:The software doesn't show a table of contents because, as yet, there are only two headings there. By default, the software only displays a table of contents when there are four headings.

:I don't know why your search is timing out. You could try adjusting your preferences here to try out a newer search engine. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:12, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

The new interwiki display on en:wikipedia is NOT helpful

Hi, does anybody here have to do something with the new sorting of the language (interwiki) sidebar? Probably whoever did it is very proud of it. But it is NOT helpful. It takes longer to look for a language. If the do that on Ripoarisch, fine. But unfortunately en:wikipedia is something like a reference for other versions. Thus it should not be more complicated.

I work on sw and often refer to other versions when starting a new entry. This takes more time now. The system sometimes gives random results and you have to guess to which continent the bias of the programmer put alanguage. Today I saw Nederlands under "America". Simple I often find under "Worldwide", but also saw it NOT there but under "Europe". Surely there is a reason why Kurdish is very prominently under "common", but I have stopped asking myself why. Please: do NOT try to correct this BUT simply list ALL languages by a-b-c.Kipala (talk) 08:07, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

:I don't see interwiki links with random results nor do I understand what you mean by "programmer's bias". Under which circumstances does "Nederlands" appear "under 'America'"? Where do sections named "Worldwide", "Europe", "common" appear? Here, using the Monobook skin, I don't see those. On the other hand, you can opt to display interwiki links in English by ticking the SidebarTranslate box at Preferences Gadgets. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:12, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

:::Hi Michael is there a way to send you some screenshots? It is strange that I see things that you cannot see. Today I have again Nederlands in America, lojban and Novial under "Worldwide", Deutsch, Kurdi and Armenian under "Common languages", Hindi and some Southern Indian under "Middle East". If someone put it there, I would call it an "editors bias" (= personal geography). If nobody put it there, we probably have a a very independent logarithm reacting differently to whatsoever impulse it receives on its way thru the net. But it definitely is NOT helpful, - are you one of the guys who can switch it off? - And thanks for hint to gadgets - but this does not change the sorting, right? Kipala (talk) 07:07, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

::::Just uploaded my screenshots. I don't get anymore an alphabetical list of all languages, just a few sorted a-b-c, and then a field ("123" more), clicking here I get the window "Language search" covering part of the screen and sorting languages by areas)

File:Interwiki 5.jpg

File:Interwiki 2.jpg|Section "Worldwide"

File:Interwiki 3.jpg|Section "America" (New York was founded by the Dutch, though)

File:Interwiki 4.jpg|Section "Middle East" (we all know that the Indian subcontinent is moving, although I thought it is north, no west..)

::::Fun aside: Why can you not see that???? Is that a meta- or mediawiki gimmick they just imposed on the smaller wikipedias, but not on English? This is theonly version where it occurs.

Cheers! Kipala (talk) 07:42, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

:::::I've never seen screens like the ones you show above. After some digging, I concluded that they must have something to do with "Input methods" and mw:Universal Language Selector, which are completely unknown to me. You may get more competent advice at WP:Village pump (technical). -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:13, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

:The short answer is that you somehow enabled the beta feature called "Compact Language Links", and if you don't like it, you can disable it.

:The longer answer is that the languages that appear in Common and in different continents are based on your usage of the site and on statistics from the CLDR repository. Surprising as it may sound, Yiddish and Dutch are indeed spoken by a non-negligible number of people in the American continent (for examples see Williamsburg, Brooklyn, Kiryas Joel, New York, Suriname and Aruba). I can't know exactly why do you see Kurdish in Common Languages because it is different for every user, but you either selected this language at some point, or you are connecting to the Internet from a country where a non-negligible number of people speak it, or your browser is configured to request pages in it.

:The compact language links feature is supposed to show the languages that in which the reader is most likely to be interested by default. This guessing still needs to be tweaked, which is one of the reasons it's still beta. I hope to take it out of beta some time in 2015, but there are no solid plans or dates for it yet. The possibility of showing the whole list alphabetically will be kept if and when it becomes non-beta. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 13:25, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

::Thanks for the info! Ok for me that type of display is not desirable. How do I get out of it? Where do I find the beta feature called "Compact Language Links" ? Kipala (talk) 13:32, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

:::Have a look at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:39, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

::::Thank you!! Saved my day!! Kipala (talk) 17:55, 24 May 2015 (UTC)