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If I read the article on the wikipedia: Coordination of Azawad Movements, I will learn that the National Movement for the Liberation of Azawad and the Arab Movement of Azawad are in the same coalition and are allies. On a detailed map of the war in Mali, I learn that the Arab Movement of Azawad is part of a so-called The Plateforme and is an ally of the Imghad Tuareg Self-Defense Group. However, on the same map, I also learn that the Arab Movement of Azawad is part of the aforementioned Coordination of Azawad Movements and are allies of the National Movement for the Liberation of Azawad. The article on wikipedia: Imghad Tuareg Self-Defense Group and Allies states that they are allies of the Arab Movement of Azawad and the article: Arab Movement of Azawad states that they are opponents of the National Movement for the Liberation of Azawad. There are simply many inconsistencies in these articles and I do not know whether the Arab Movement of Azawad is part of the so-called The Plateforme (GATIA, MAA-Plateforme) or the Coordination of Azawad Movements (The National Movement for the Liberation of Azawad (MNLA)).

The High Council for Unity of Azawad (HCUA)

The Arab Movement of Azawad (MAA)

The Coordination of Patriotic Resistance Movements and Forces (CMFPR)

The Coalition for the People of Azawad (CPA))

: {{re|Dr. Ivan Kučera}} They are in fact part of both. There are two factions withing Arab Movement of Azawad. Borysk5 (talk) 08:44, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

::If I may revive this discussion, I also find the map as confusing as hell. Someone needs to address this issue. --Firestar464 (talk) 08:38, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

In [https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/reporters/20220715-from-the-sahel-to-dubai-on-the-trail-of-dirty-gold this documentary] by France24, the CMA is shown controlling the Intahaka gold mine (and maybe the rest of Gao City, but I'm not sure). Could someone provide the coordinates of the mine? Thanks! Firestar464 (talk) 06:18, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

: {{re|Firestar464}} Which moment of this video told you that? because I'm almost certain Gao is under government control ([https://peacekeeping.un.org/fr/la-minusma-affrete-des-helicopteres-pour-le-redeploiement-des-elements-des-bataillons-reconstitues some recent source]). The Indahaka gold mine is around 16.343800, -0.615100 I believe, 22 km northwest of Indahaka itself.Borysk5 (talk) 15:44, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

::I may have muddled "Gao City" with "Gao Region;" apologies. I do know that they control the mine (from the video), so I'll just add that. Firestar464 (talk) 02:10, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

@Garmin21 Reading through the UN-Report I noticed some problems that I'd like to talk about as I am new and don't want to make wrongful reverts.

Point 1 is the change of Tessalit to JNIM control. The report has two references about it:

"(b) Trafficking to and from North Africa via the Tilemsi valley, Tessalit and

Bordj Badji Mokthar (Algeria) and via Niamey and Agadez (the Niger) to Libya (via

Dirkou, the Niger) and Algeria (via Arlit, the Niger);"

It says nothing about control so the source was probably the second one:

"(f) Jama’a Nusrat ul-Islam wa al-Muslimin controlls the sites of Abanko,

Indarset, Igharghar, formerly under control of the Mouvement national de libération

de l’Azawad (see S/2021/714, para. 89), and Talhandak, all in Tessalit;"

It was just talking about JNIM control of some gold mining sites with no clear indication of if they are even controled in an territorial way or if they just own them and control merely the sites themselves. Is there any other part of the report where Tessalit itself is named, not the province, otherwise I'd like to just revert it.

Point 2 is Diondiori being changed to sieged by JNIM. The report says this:

"138. Jama’a Nusrat ul-Islam wa al-Muslimin-Front de libération du Macina remains

active in sieging villages and imposing restrictions on movements. In June 2023 in

the Mopti Region, elements of Jama’a Nusrat ul-Islam wa al-Muslimin-Front de

libération du Macina allegedly imposed restrictions on the movements of the

inhabitants of Diondiori village in the Ténenkou cercle. Front de libération du

Macina warned inhabitants not to take the roads heading to the town of Diondiori,

threatening to attack them with explosives if they did so."

It is pretty vague and refers to it happening allegedly and in past tense, compared to Timbuktu which has multiple contemporary media articles as a source it just sounds like its already over. I also fear that even if its true and it is still ongoing we will never get a source if the siege gets lifted and so it will just sit there for eternity.

So in short I'd like to revert the edit about Tessalit if there is no further source and also potentially the one about Diondiori but only if you/others agree with my reasoning. Cesshire (talk) 18:32, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

:@Cesshire The reason why I added the gold mining sites in the first place was that if they control gold mining sites in the town then they must have a large uncontested presence in the towns themselves, but you are right I read that part of the report too fast and just assumed they meant they were in control of Tessalit, there have been quite a few IED attacks on the UN in and around tessalit so obviously they have a large presence but I can't find anything on whether or not they control it themselves, it's likely joint control with the CMA like most cities in the area are. As for the second part IDK up to you to do what you want with it.--Garmin21 (talk) 02:07, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

::No problem, as for the siege I think its best to just wait six months or a year and then remove the siege symbols automatically if no source states that it still exits. Cesshire (talk) 02:17, 3 September 2023 (UTC)