Talk:1916 Warsaw City Council election

(copying conversation from WP:RDH for reference),

I struggle to get hold of the mapping of the electoral districts (which would be super interesting, as it would allow to give a snapshot of the economic and ethnic structure of the city at the time). Basically I have 3 references:

• [https://crispa.uw.edu.pl/object/files/175137/display/JPEG Goniec Poranny. 1916, no 317 p. 1] - June 27, 1916 - here there is a listing of the distribution of voters of Curia I, II, IV, V, VI across 52 electoral districts. Curia III doesn't seem to be divided by districts. But the number of Curia III voters match the later election results coverage.

Putting these numbers into a table, it looks like this (notably some totals don't add up):

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• Then we have [https://polona.pl/item-view/50d55566-2841-4926-bd63-de4899d50a3f?page=4 Wybory do rady miejskiej] in Kurjer Warszawski, July 16, 1916. p. 4, giving a district by district result of the vote in Curia VI. Notably there was no election in Curia I, II, IV, V as there has been a consensus pact of all parties on a single slate. So it was only in Curia III (Intellectuals, where no geographic division was made, rather the curia was divided into groups that all voted in same location July 10 or 11 or 12) and Curia VI (general population, i.e. the working class) where an election was held. Kurjer Warszawski gives result in 54 electoral districts. There seem to be some correlation with the list from Goniec Poranny, but the 2 lists are not matching.

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• Then we have [https://digitalcollections.hoover.org/objects/16258/wahlen-bekanntmachung-fur-die-wahler-der-kurie-vi--wybo?ctx=fd9c43db16fdd118704683377e4cee07d50f384c&idx=1 this ordinance] and [https://digitalcollections.hoover.org/objects/16222/span-classqueryhlwahlenspan-bekanntmachung--wybory?ctx=fd9c43db16fdd118704683377e4cee07d50f384c&idx=2 as well as this], that instructs where and when Curia VI voters are supposed to vote. But the number of districts is far smaller than in the 2 tables above and doesn't seem to cover even all commissariats. The latter ordinance links commissariats to electoral districts, seems they are the old pre-commissariats mentioned as 1908-1916 on pl.wiki (https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podzia%C5%82_administracyjny_Warszawy).

Is there any source or anything that could link up the electoral districts with a map, a listing of addresses or at least a clear division of electoral districts per commissariats? Any input that would help putting pieces together would be appreciated. -- Soman (talk) 21:34, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

:I posted a thread at WP:RDL as well, trying to extract detail from a snippet in Der Moment (:File:Wahl_bezirk_der_moment_13_July_1916.png). I think it clarifies that there were 7 Electoral Districts (Stimmbezirk, okręg wyborczy, Wahl-Rayon), and 52 Electoral Bureaus (Okrag, Wahl-Byuro). It still doesn't quite match the voting result still but at least a bit of context. --Soman (talk) 12:08, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

[https://crispa.uw.edu.pl/object/files/152167/display/Default Przegląd Wieczorny. 1916, № 194] pinpoints some of the Electoral Bureaus;

• Okrag 2 - Mazowiecka 12
• Okrag 4 - Freta 10
• Okrag 5 - Podwale 50
• Okrag 6-a - Przejazd 5
• Okrag 10 - Dzika 12
• Okrag 11 - Gesia 20
• Okrag 12 - Muranowska 34
• Okrag 13 - Nowokarmelicka 7
• Okrag 13-a - Nowokarmelicka 7
• Okrag 24 - Stawki 24
• Okrag 30 - Śtokrzyska 27
• Okrag 34 - Kotzebue 10
• Okrag 32 - Nowogrodzka 41
• Okrag 35 - Nowo-Miodowa 2
• Okrag 36 - Krucza 31
• Okrag 37 - Nowy Swiat 2

--Soman (talk) 14:44, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

:https://crispa.uw.edu.pl/object/files/152168/display/Default has some additional addresses Soman (talk) 15:02, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

So... I think I got it now, looking at :File:Poster_Wahlen_Bekanntmachung_fur_die_Wahler_der_Kurie_VI_Warsaw_6_July_1916.png. There were 52 electoral circuits (some split in 2), but in 7 circuits (6, 8, 13, 17, 20, 25, 26) voters were instructed to vote by the letter of their last name. Presumably in all other 45 circuits voters could vote at any time in a single bureau. --Soman (talk) 15:16, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Yet more, with more precise detail for okrag 35-52, at https://crispa.uw.edu.pl/object/files/9113/display/JPEG --Soman (talk) 15:45, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

https://crispa.uw.edu.pl/object/files/7608/display/Default has the full detail for okrag 22-34 --Soman (talk) 15:54, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

https://crispa.uw.edu.pl/object/files/2902/display/Default has the full detail for 15-21 --Soman (talk) 17:05, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

https://crispa.uw.edu.pl/object/files/2902/display/Default has the full detail for 1-14 --Soman (talk) 17:16, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

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