Talk:2014 pro-Russian unrest in Ukraine

@Alaexis, why the image which raises so many questions have been inserted into the infobox again [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2014_pro-Russian_unrest_in_Ukraine&diff=1241617056&oldid=1241615213] ? Here are those questions, again: Why there is a map with "protests" in the lead of the article titled "unrest"? Are "disturbances" the same as protests? or unrests? Which secondary RSs cover the image? Why there is such a map in the article infobox when there are no such RS?

The image is also misleading by itself, as it has "2014 Pro-Russian Unrest" written on it as a title but it shows areas which had no unrests but protests. The image gives the reader a false impression that "unrests" were far more widespread, while unrests were only occurring in Donetsk, Luhansk, Mariupol, Kharkiv and Odesa. Including it is also the violation of WP:WEIGHT, therefore. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 17:30, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

:Two editors told you that unrest includes protests. Unrest does not need to be violent. This is the definition from the Cambridge dictionary

:[https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/unrest UNREST] disagreements or fighting between different groups of people. Alaexis_¿question? 18:21, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

::This sentence has been answered and the answer is that while unrest may include protests, nevertheless protests are not unrests and should not be misunderstood as such. While the added image does exactly that: gives the false impression, substituting unrest with protests.{{pb}}The thesis is also not supported by secondary reliable sources on article subject. Conclusions like the one above are either WP:OR or WP:SYNTH or both. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 19:06, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

:::I think at this point there is no longer any point in discussing this further. If you don't agree with the position of other editors regarding the scope and the name of the article, the best course of action would be to seek external feedback. Alaexis_¿question? 19:34, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

::::The scope of the article is defined by its title and by secondary RSs discussing article subject. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 20:12, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

:{{Agree}}, the article should be renamed because it is an exaggeration Pusf.smbd (talk) 13:53, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

:Disagree, the article is not placing undue attention on the response of Eastern Ukraine towards the Revolution Thehazardcat (talk) 21:52, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

::not a revolution, but Russian financed separatist unrest 78.58.62.240 (talk) 21:40, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

Some people in largely Russophone eastern and southern Ukraine, the traditional bases of support for Yanukovych and his Party of the Regions, did not approve of the revolution - I see Marples book talks not about "eastern and southern Ukraine" but about Donbas, Eastern Donbas. The chapter is "Prelude to War" [https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_War_in_Ukraine_s_Donbas/NxdXEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=marples+war+donbas++Background+to+the+Russian+Spring&pg=PA20&printsec=frontcover The War in Ukraine’s Donbas - Google Books] . ManyAreasExpert (talk) 20:38, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

:Please note the proposal for a South-East Ukrainian Autonomous Republic by Yanukovych supporters during the Orange Revolution. 'Southeastern Ukraine' has traditionally been a common alternative name for this region...I expect it has less currency now given the current geopolitical situation, however. RGloucester — ☎ 22:19, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

::We should not be engaging in original research. I'm asking why the article should state that, given that the source says Donbas. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 22:25, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

:::Marples is not the cited source for that passage... RGloucester — ☎ 22:30, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

::::The question raised still remains. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 22:35, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

:If sources don't support the sentence, it should be replaced with the one supported by sources. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 21:42, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Wasn't the Republic of Crimea proclaimed on the 11th of March 2014? [https://www.epw.in/journal/2014/35/commentary/crimean-declaration-independence.html][https://web.archive.org/web/20140318141653/http://lenta.ru/news/2014/03/11/declare][https://web.archive.org/web/20140319060200/http://www.rada.crimea.ua/act/11748] It was made a Republic Within Russia on the 16th/17th through the referendum. There seems to be a site-wide disagreement on the date of proclamation. The dates range from march 11th to 17th

The Verkhovna Rada of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, based on the direct expression of the will of the peoples of Crimea in the referendum on March 16, 2014, which showed that the peoples of Crimea spoke out for joining Russia and, therefore, for the exit from Ukraine and for the creation of an independent state, guided by the declaration of independence The Republic of Crimea, adopted at an extraordinary plenary meeting of the Supreme Council of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea March 11, 2014 and an extraordinary plenary meeting of the Sevastopol City Council on March 11, 2014, X-Wu-Z (talk) 00:01, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

:We are not qualified enough to extract definitive statements from primary sources. It's unclear if declaration of independence equals to proclamation and to which "republic" it regards. If there are discrepancies, we should stick to secondary sources supplied, which say
[https://digital-commons.usnwc.edu/ils/vol91/iss1/7/ "Law, Rhetoric, Strategy" by Christopher J. Borgen] On March 16, 2014 the residents of Crimea woke up in Ukraine, as they had every morning since the dissolution of the USSR at the end of 1991. That evening they went to sleep in what claimed to be the independent Republic of Crimea. They lived in that putative country for the next day. On March 18, the leaders of Crimea signed a treaty merging their day-old country into Russia. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 11:06, 25 February 2025 (UTC)