Talk:2022 Buffalo shooting#Requested move 19 May 2022

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Perpetrator birthdate

OK, so I [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2022_Buffalo_shooting&diff=prev&oldid=1249592348 originally removed] the perpetrator's supposed birthdate because it was not supported by the source(s) cited. I later [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2022_Buffalo_shooting&diff=prev&oldid=1251680041 readded it] in an invisible comment (which cannot be seen outside the page editor) because I figure I could find a source and unhide it later - that was removed as well. (I've seen this done in other articles to hide unsourced birthdates, e.g. Xanthe Huynh so I figured it would be acceptable)

This is the closest source I can find so far that says something regarding age: https://buffalonews.com/news/local/crime-courts/tops-mass-shooter-may-14-payton-gendron-death-penalty/article_7a533168-46a2-11ef-a6fa-8350336aa8f4.html

The quote in question is: "At the time of the Buffalo racist mass shooting, Gendron was 18 years, 10 months, and 28 days old – 328 days over the line established by the Supreme Court ruling." A [https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=May+14%2C+2022+-+18+years%2C+10+months%2C+and+28+days quick calculation] shows a birthdate of June 16, 2003.

I've seen this kind of back of the napkin date math used on other articles to calculate birthdates - sorry but cannot remember which ones. Open to hearing thoughts. :User:Wizzito | :User talk:Wizzito 02:53, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

:The website vice.com, which has not been declared unreliable, gives the DOB as June 20, 2003.[https://www.vice.com/en/article/buffalo-shooter-gun-mental-health-manifesto-payton-gendron/] WWGB (talk) 03:51, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

::Late, but good catch. :User:Wizzito | :User talk:Wizzito 23:44, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

::Are you unopposed to the source being added? :User:Wizzito | :User talk:Wizzito 19:32, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

A shooting is not a political movement, it's the action of a deranged individual.

The sidebar indicating this article is part of a series on neo-fascism isn't necessary. Open up the 'ideas' section in the sidebar and it has a laundry list of ideas that could be linked to hundreds of political groups, including vague ones like nationalism, autarky, and Christianity (and no other religion.) Was the shooter an anti-Marxist autarkist, as the list implies? Is Xi Jinping neo-fascist because he is a nationalist authoritarian? Make a list long enough and it includes everyone. I suggest we view shooters and their deranged thoughts as criminal psychology rather than trying to tie it into an ever-expanding political ideology that says both too much and too little. 108.4.138.67 (talk) 16:08, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

:We go by what reliable sources say, not our own analyses. EvergreenFir (talk) 17:05, 9 April 2025 (UTC)