Talk:2024 Greenfield tornado#Requested move 22 April 2025

Hey {{ping|Sumanuil}} The tornado is still on the Damage Assessment Toolkit (DAT). The DAT is an interactive map. It only automatically shows the latest 5-7 days. You have to change the date to when the Greenfield tornado occurred. I did just check and it is still there, so the reference doesn’t fail any verification. You can change the date at the top right of the website. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 05:52, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

:I did change the date. It gave me zilch. Maybe it's my computer? Is there a URL that would give those results automatically? - Sumanuil. _{(talk to me)} 06:05, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

File:Damage Assessment Toolkit showing the 2024 Greenfield tornado.jpg

::Sadly no direct link. I often set the date to a few days before and after a tornado. Sometimes the National Weather Service offices enter the date as the survey date or make an error and enter a date before the tornado when trying to correct for a previously entered survey date as the date for the tornado. I just took this screenshot, so maybe set your dates like I have. Also, make sure you are [https://apps.dat.noaa.gov/stormdamage/damageviewer/ on the correct site]. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 06:11, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

::Well, that's less than ideal. Maybe there should be a note alongside that reference? - Sumanuil. _{(talk to me)} 18:40, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

:The dat doesnt save dates. Iy you link it to a certain date, it will not do that. 2600:1014:B100:6AC1:0:56:DA88:6701 (talk) 22:19, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

As the image in the infobox is up for deletion, I propose we add a frame from Reed Timmer's amazing drone footage of the tornado, a film that has itself been reported on by a few other sources. Alternatively, are any images from Greenfield itself and the tornado's peak intensity known to exist? From what I can tell, the drone footage was taken around 10-15 minutes before the tornado hit Greenfield, and I haven't seen any images of the tornado in the city itself. Does anyone know if the DOW team has an image of that? Departure– (talk) 20:19, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

:Realistically, peak intensity was near the windmill footage, but lack of proper DIs screwed it up. In addition, AFAIK there are no known photos of it in Greenfield. I might try and get the DOW team to release a radar shot to PD. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 06:00, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

::Email sent to Wurman, not expecting a reply though. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 06:12, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

:::Good news and bad news.

:::Good news: I got pictures

:::Bad news: I'm a dumbass and there's already a DOW image in there. Not sure about peak intensity though. Also not PD. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 02:39, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

::::Good news! Anticomp said that radar images are inherently PD per https://copyright.gov/comp3/chap900/ch900-visual-art.pdf 909.3(B)! I've uploaded the image. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 03:31, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

::{{ping|Wildfireupdateman}} {{ping|EF5}} I found one! [https://blog.ametsoc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Greenfield-IA_BEST_Lauren-Baca-1536x1024.jpg This] is a more relevant and clearer image of the tornado in all of its multi-vortex and Cthulu-esque glory approaching Greenfield from the south. With you folks' approval, I'll replace the Reed Timmer image, but again as there's multiple people in this discussion I'll run it through discussion. It's from [https://blog.ametsoc.org/2024/07/24/best-capturing-the-worst-tornado-winds/ this AMS blog about the tornado and the DOW team's methodology].Departure– (talk) 16:59, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

:::Nope. Per FAC, we're going to go with the Reed Timmer video unless some kind soul donates a free image of the storm. Still a good image, though. Departure– (talk) 18:21, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

:I've replaced the image with a screenshot from [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEFGKMWYD-E INCREDIBLE TORNADO VS WIND TURBINE DRONE FOOTAGE] by Reed Timmer. The infobox photo was a copyright violation but hasn't been deleted on Commons yet. I don't know if my edit summaries were enough notification so I'm saying it here. Departure– (talk) 15:16, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

{{ping|Departure–}} I recommend looking at the Greensburg tornado (a GA for one) for an example on how this format works when referred to frequently as such in studies and by townsfolk. Frankly that does not destroy the flow at all. MarioProtIV (^talk/_contribs) 14:22, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

:See the centralized discussion at WP:WPWX that I've started as any consensus there will apply to more articles to avoid having a dispute like this in the future. Departure– (talk) 14:31, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

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:File:Aerial imagery of EF4 damage to homes in Greenfield, Iowa.jpg has been nominated to become a Featured Picture on Wikipedia. You can view the nomination here: Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/2024 Greenfield tornado damage via drone. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 14:14, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

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:2024 Greenfield tornado → {{no redirect|Greenfield tornado}} – Per Greensburg tornado and Jarrell tornado. This one is a lot more discrete than a lot of other tornadoes as it only hit Greenfield - not Nodaway, Corning, or Villisca, as some initial reporting had it. As for other tornadoes in Greenfield, a quick search only brings up results for a tornado in Greenfield, Indiana - and another near the Iowan Greenfield. This tornado has become one of the most notorious tornadoes in recent memory - not quite on the level with Mayfield, El Reno, Moore, and Joplin, but as close as we've gotten in recent memory - so I don't see why this shouldn't be moved as of now. We'll get another reporting burst on May 21, on its first anniversary, to quell any doubt. Departure– (talk) 16:37, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

:Support per above, but should we also apply this to Joplin as well (given its nortority)? I will say I was considering opening an RM for this a while ago but I never went through with it as I wasn't quite sure if it had the same reasoning for it as Greensburg/Jarrell. MarioProtIV (^talk/_contribs) 16:55, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

::There was a tornado in Joplin in 1971, but I think there is just as much an argument there to move the 2011 one to Joplin tornado. Departure– (talk) 16:56, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

:::I’ve gone ahead and opened a separate RM there following the guidelines and reasonings also explained here for Greenfield. MarioProtIV (^talk/_contribs) 18:46, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

:Support per nom. Note that El Reno had an EF5 in 2011, Moore an F5 in 1999, and Mayfield an EF3 sometime in the 2010s (too lazy to go check the DAT, haha), so those won't fall under the COMMONNAME and PTOP rationales. — E_F⁵ 18:53, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

::Not arguing those; Mayfield's RM was unsuccessful, and as you say, both El Reno and Moore had more than one. Departure– (talk) 19:03, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

:Strong Support per nom. This tornado produced very extreme wind speeds and caused widespread severe damage. Look up just Greenfield tornado and you'll see this one. StormHunterBryante5467⛈️ 01:16, 23 April 2025 (UTC)