Talk:2025 New Orleans truck attack

Jabbar was the guy who did it so shouldn’t it be changed from suspect to perpetrator? 66.65.59.229 (talk) 10:49, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

:Assuming that it has been legally confirmed by multiple sources, then yes. (3OpenEyes's talk page. Say hi!) | (PS: Have a good day) 12:32, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

:There is a presumption of innocence that prevails in these articles, until proven. WP:TOOSOON TiggerJay (talk) 15:40, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

::I agree with using "suspect" for a while because of WP:BLP, which applies to the recently deceased. Usually I would expect "suspect" to give way to "convicted perpetrator", but in this case there won't be a trial for the deceased, so I am curious: What are the criteria in the case of a deceased suspect, and how do they officially become a perpetrator? Fluoborate (talk) 19:32, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

:::Whenever law enforcement calls him that and reliable sources report it, I think. Iggy pop goes the weasel (talk) 22:17, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

:::It is possible it would transition to "attacker" or "assailant" or something similar. But for the most part it will follow what reliable sources are saying whenever that occurs in the process. That is largely driven by the investigation taking place. Among many reasons, some times things become discovered that a person identity was mistaken, or there was a bigger plot and this person was just a cog, or there are other suspicious circumstances where this person was essentially coerced into doing this act. I'm not making any assumptions about this incident, but rather commenting on examples that could drastically impact how this person is referred to in the future. TiggerJay (talk) 22:52, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

::::I'd say give it a month to let the dust settle and the fog of war clear before we stop extending standard WP:BLP protections to him as recently deceased. Simonm223 (talk) 18:08, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

:::::We might need to discuss that due to WP:BDP. --Super Goku V (talk) 10:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

::::::@Super Goku V: What specific aspect of BDP are you asserting? TiggerJay (talk) 16:33, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

:::::::Probably {{tq|six months, one year, two years at the outside}} - I said "give it a month" which is shorter than the timeframes supported by WP:BDP. To clarify my stance, I said a month mainly to suggest we should not be acting sooner than a month from now. I am entirely happy to follow WP:BDP guidance and say we should treat the suspect as a BLP for at least six months. Simonm223 (talk) 16:40, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

:::::::Simonm223 has pretty much already said what I would have. The only thing to emphasis is that this would be in line with the {{tpq|Such extensions would only apply particularly to contentious or questionable material about the subject that has implications for their living relatives and friends}} portion. --Super Goku V (talk) 05:57, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Why isn't this event charactered as a terror attack in the lead sentence similar to the Charlottesville Car Attack article? The current opening paragraph doesn't mention terror until the end of the paragraph. LemonPumpkin (talk) 17:07, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

Shamsud-Din Jabbar was obviously the perpetrator. There should be a page about him because this was the deadliest VAW attack in U.S. history. 66.65.59.229 (talk) 19:20, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:WP:PERPETRATOR and WP:BLP1E create a presumption against having separate articles unless they could go into a lot more detail.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 19:51, 17 May 2025 (UTC)