Talk:A-Channel

:The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: A-Channel moved to A-Channel (disambiguation) and :A-Channel (Craig Media) moved to A-Channel – {{#if:|(non-admin closure)|{{#if:|(closed by non-admin page mover)}}}} wbm1058 (talk) 23:09, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

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:A-Channel (Craig Media) → {{no redirect|A-Channel (TV network)}} – The current title is uncommon disambiguation not supported by WP:NCBC. According to the article, The A-Channel is a television system. According to television system {{tq|in Canada, a television system is a group of television stations which share common ownership, branding and programming, but which for some reason does not satisfy the criteria necessary for it to be classified as a television network under Canadian law. As the term "television system" has no legal definition, and as most audiences and broadcasters usually refer to groups of stations with common branding and programming as "networks" regardless of their structure, the distinction between the two entities is often not entirely clear; indeed, the term is rarely discussed outside the Canadian broadcasting enthusiast community}}. Seeing as how the article says that the definition of "television system" is {{tq|rarely discussed outside the Canadian broadcasting enthusiast community}}, that seems like using "television system" as disambiguation would be MOS:JARGON and per WP:RECOGNIZABILITY should be avoided. So per WP:NCBC "(TV network)" is the better option. Gonnym (talk) 14:43, 19 February 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. Jerm (talk) 18:11, 26 February 2020 (UTC)—Relisting. © Tbhotch^™ (en-3). 18:41, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

• Support move, though in looking at the lede, I think :A-Channel (TV channel) looks more accurate in this instance. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:52, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

::That wouldn't work. It wasn't just one "channel", it was three. Bearcat (talk) 20:54, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

:: To break the logjam here, I will also back Netoholic's suggestion to move to A-Channel – I agree that this name/title does not need a WP:DABPAGE. A hatnote should be enough to get people to CTV Two, and the other two entries aren't really "A-Channel" titles. I suspect that {{U|Bearcat}} would also be amenable to this solution, so let's just move this one to A-Channel and close this RM. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:53, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

• Move to A-Channel - At primary right now is a terrible DAB page, and this article is the only article which uses this spelling. Gonnym & IJBall, thoughts? -- Netoholic @ 20:49, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support move. The reason this is at the title it's at is because initially, when these A-Channel stations dropped the brand to become Citytv, the A-Channel brand was transferred to a different group of stations, replacing their prior "NewNet" brand. For a lot of reasons, however, the "new" A-Channel could not be treated as continuous with the "old" A-Channel — most importantly, it had to encompass a completely different history, but even the logo and programming were different and the only point of commonality between the two was the name. So because there were two different Canadian TV networks that had been associated with the exact same name but had to be covered in separate articles, the only viable way to disambiguate them at the time was by corporate owner (i.e. "A-Channel (Craig Media)" vs "A-Channel (CHUM)") — IIRC, there was a brief attempt to go with "A-Channel (1997-2005)" and "A-Channel (2005-present)", but it didn't stick. The "new" A-Channel has since been rebranded again, however, and is now called CTV Two — so there's no longer any pressing need to keep this hyperdisambiguated title anymore. Since this one was never called anything but this, while the other one went through a few name changes and is now called something very different, we should let this one be WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. A-Channel isn't the title at which almost anybody would actually be looking for the other one anymore — and since this one would have to (and indeed already does) address the branding transfer anyway, the rare person who does come here looking for that one will get forwarded there as it is. Bearcat (talk) 20:52, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
• After reading this and seeing how the links are used in the articles, I think maybe we should add the years to the disambiguation. NewNet, which redirects to CTV 2 links to A-Channel (Craig Media) in all its uses, but you say above that that the Craig Media version isn't the one which is related to NewNet. This means that this isn't only a reader issue, but editors are also incorrectly targeting links because the names aren't clear. Also, TV shows that originally aired on a network/channel are categorized in categories such as :Category:The CW original programming. Not handling the disambiguation correctly now will cause an issue here (note: these currently don't have categories, but they should). We have hooked Up (TV series) and The Big Breakfast (Canadian TV program) for the Craig Media one, but we have A Morning for the second version. It should be noted that we can't use the newer network name as that is anachronistic and isn't consistent with current practice. See :Category:ABC Family original programming and :Category:Freeform (TV channel) original programming. --Gonnym (talk) 09:12, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
• If it's a WP:TWODABS situation, we can put the "original" at the "primary": at A-Channel. That would leave just the "newer" one, which we could disambiguate (and which would be just a redirect anyway). Probably the "cleanest" way to handle this... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 12:28, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
• It's at least 2 articles (A Channel (manga)) and 2 redirects, but yes, I agree. If this A-Chanel is the primary, that could work. --Gonnym (talk) 13:05, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
• The manga is "A Channel", not "A-Channel" – that's subtle, but I think WP:SMALLDETAILS applies. (It's also why I think any WP:DABPAGE should actually be at :A Channel not at :A-Channel...) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:12, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
• Relister comment. On the premise of the recent :A-Channel (Craig Media) → {{no redirect|A-Channel}}, I decided to relist this discussion. © Tbhotch^™ (en-3). 18:41, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
• Comment: at 04:31, 29 August 2011‎ {{U|Emarsee}} moved {{no redirect|A (TV system)}} to CTV Two over redirect: "Moving it, transition will occur within a few hours" – there's the other half of the "two-dab" – wbm1058 (talk) 22:39, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

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