Talk:Ali Irsan

One reason I insist on specificity on where a place is (whether it's incorporated or not) is because jurisdictional stuff differs. While the Houston Police Department covered Gelareh Bagherzadeh's death, the Harris County Sheriff's Office covered the death of Coty Beavers.

• http://web.archive.org/web/20121127105638/http://www.hcso.hctx.net:80/media_relations.aspx has a link to the Beavers press release: click "News Releases : Homicide" and scroll down to "11/12/2012 - 10801 Legacy Park Drive" and hover your mouse to get the info. Unfortunately the location of the press release document http://www.hcso.hctx.net/newsDetailsnew.asp?grp=hom&id=761 , never archived :(

WhisperToMe (talk) 13:28, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

In consideration of WP:BLPCrime I put a basic table of what can be, and can't be, said (it's a complicated case)

Here's what we can say as a fact:

• [https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Jury-gives-decides-on-death-sentence-for-Jordian-13155493.php Ali Irsan murdered Coty Beavers and ordered the murder of Gelareh Bagherzadeh (convicted and sentenced to death for two murders as part of the same criminal scheme)] ([http://www.txcourts.gov/media/1442277/harris-07_26_18-jgmt-ali-awad-mahmoud-irsan.pdf Texas courts], [http://tdcj.state.tx.us/death_row/dr_info/irsanali.html TDCJ])
• Nasim Irsan murdered Gelareh Bagherzadeh as [https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Brother-in-honor-killings-case-pleads-guilty-14399001.php he pleaded guilty to murder (instead of capital murder) in 2019] - [https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Irsan-Trial-0726-13103662.php Alrawabdeh said he was the one who shot Bagherzadeh], and Nasim taking the guilty plea means that he is a convicted murderer.
• [https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Wife-testifies-her-husband-on-trial-for-two-13085931.php Shmou Alrawabdeh pleaded guilty to kidnapping Nesreen] ("She testified against her husband after cutting a plea bargain deal that will reduce her pending murder charge to kidnapping.")
• [https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdtx/pr/conroe-family-handed-federal-prison-sentences Irsan, Alrawabdeh, and Nadia are all guilty of the Social Security Fraud-related charges, Irsan to the fraud itself and Alrawabdeh and Nadia to "making false statements"]
• Nile Irsan [https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Brother-in-honor-killings-case-pleads-guilty-14399001.php pleaded guilty to bringing a prohibited item into a correctional facility]
• Nadia Irsan [https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/crime/article/Woman-receives-probation-in-2012-honor-16633207.php pleaded guilty to being a part of organized crime]

The following are of note (remember lack of conviction in a court of law = can't definitely say they did it):

• Ali Irsan did kill Amjad H. Alidam, but he was not charged nor convicted of murdering him (he says he did it in self-defense). Even though Texas prosecutors used the Alidam killing as a weapon against him in his later trial, one should not say definitely that he murdered Alidam.
• [https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Jury-gives-decides-on-death-sentence-for-Jordian-13155493.php Allegations of rape were made against Irsan in his trial], but he was never convicted of any, so you can't say for sure he did it.
• Nasim was charged with murdering Bagherzadeh, but the trial has not started, so do not say for a fact that he was the triggerperson. (I simply state "The triggerperson")
• Nadia was not charged with kidnapping Nesreen, so do not definitely say she kidnapped her (I say Nesreen accused her of doing so, as the [https://www.houstonpress.com/news/authorities-say-ali-irsan-stole-out-of-greed-and-murdered-out-of-honor-7478280 Malislow article states]: "It was during this time, Nesreen told authorities, that she was held captive by Nadia and Shmou." - note that Alrawabdeh did plead guilty so I say for a fact that she kidnapped Nesreen)
• Nadia's stalking trial (as far as I know) has not started.
• [https://www.dailyrecord.com/story/news/2014/07/25/12521196/ Nasim Irsan and Nile Irsan, two sons, were was also charged with smuggling drugs to their father], but I am not sure if he was ever convicted of that their trial hasn't begun yet, so you cannot say definitely that they smuggled.
• None of Irsan's accusations against Nesreen had any merit whatsoever (I think this is understood by most readers, but just in case...)

WhisperToMe (talk) 19:25, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Updated.

WhisperToMe (talk) 18:34, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

There are more photos on news sites that could be used under fair use. The one currently on this page isn’t accurate and dated.76.187.211.251 (talk) 06:47, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Closing-arguments-expected-Monday-in-honor-13147944.php#photo-15916299

: The one uploaded is the newest known photo, as that is the photo the TDCJ (Texas prison authorities) took after they had Ali Irsan's intake. The picture in the chron article is when Irsan was in Harris County custody. In Texas the county governments hold inmates during their trials, and the TDCJ doesn't take them into custody until after they are sentenced.

: The TDCJ requires all male prisoners to shave their hair and beards entirely before their photo and they post the photos online (they grow their hair back afterwards although there are rules about hair/bans on facial hair, though they may not apply to devout Muslims).

: I suppose they disregarded Irsan's religious beliefs by posting the photo, but this is his official state prison photo

: WhisperToMe (talk) 03:37, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

When was it taken?76.187.211.251 (talk) 04:58, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

:: The TDCJ says he was admitted into the system on August 20, 2018 http://tdcj.state.tx.us/death_row/dr_info/irsanali.html . The photo would have been taken on or after that day. The Chronicle article in your post was published on August 13, 2018. WhisperToMe (talk) 16:07, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

::: Note by post online, I meant death row inmates have their photos posted online WhisperToMe (talk) 09:28, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

There is a chart of the Irsan family at https://s.hdnux.com/photos/74/16/33/15787758/13/1024x1024.jpg (image #14 at https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Honor-killing-defendant-s-first-wife-13130101.php#photo-15787758 ) which shows the structure of the family.

• Four children, including Nasemah, Nadia, and Nesreen were with Robin Dahl
• Eight, including Nasim and Nile, were with Alrawabdeh

WhisperToMe (talk) 13:35, 2 December 2019 (UTC)