Talk:Alice: Madness Returns

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as easy as it was for me to find page after page on forums of users complaining about the same game-breaking bugs and glitches i was experiencing, i'm surprised there is no mention of these problems in the article or the discussion page.

At once point i was stuck unable to progress because a switch required to reach the next area simply did nothing. After overcoming all of these bugs with no help from the official site (i can't find a single patch available 2 years after the game was released) alice is now stuck in a walled off room with the final boss for all eternity, unable to damage it as it cycles through its movements and won't even attack.

As many enraged fans as i have read posts from, is EA somehow keeping the truth of their abysmal support service off the wikipedia page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.26.214.113 (talk) 15:06, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

For the past several months there has been a minor edit war between two sides regarding the synopsis provided of the second teaser trailer, as covered in the development section of this article. The two disputed portions are as follows:

1. The rabbit featured in the tea party scene of the carnival window being either the White Rabbit or March Hare.
2. The identity of the silhouette that accompanies the Queen of Hearts at the trailer's climax.

I have tried to explain why the edits changing my initial summary are incorrect when reverting them (I know that makes me sound like I have some kind of complex but hear me out), but it appears this does not resolve the issue. Therefore, I would like to explain my findings and why the rabbit is the White Rabbit and not the March Hare, and why we shouldn't mention the second silhouette at this point in time.

1. While it is the March Hare and not the White Rabbit who attends the mad tea party in the original book, we already know that this particular adaptation liberally reinterprets the source material at times. More important to note is the physical appearance of the rabbit in question as he appears in the window: he is obviously white in color, and is dangling a pocketwatch from his left hand. Now, the White Rabbit's defining characteristic is that he is white; after all, if he was another color, he would be identified as such. If we were to assume that all of the rabbits that inhabit Wonderland were white in color, that would make his name redundant and unremarkable in such a way that he would have to go by a different name, thus rendering this scenario impossible. Also, in all adaptations of Alice, not to mention the books, the March Hare was depicted as a brown rabbit! Though his appearance in the original American McGee's Alice was brief and the technological limitations of the time prevented a truly detailed view of the character, he clearly appeared with dark grey and brown fur... despite his decrepit state, it's clear that if he was restored, this would be his proper coloring. But what definitively proves that the rabbit in the window is the White Rabbit is none other than the pocketwatch he holds. This is the character's other trademark; to quote the original book (public domain, natch), "[...] suddenly a White Rabbit with pink eyes ran close by her. There was nothing so VERY remarkable in that; nor did Alice think it so VERY much out of the way to hear the Rabbit say to itself,'Oh dear! Oh dear! I shall be late!' (when she thought it over afterwards, it occurred to her that she ought to have wondered at this, but at the time it all seemed quite natural); but when the Rabbit actually TOOK A WATCH OUT OF ITS WAISTCOAT-POCKET, and looked at it, and then hurried on, Alice started to her feet, for it flashed across her mind that she had never before see a rabbit with either a waistcoat-pocket, or a watch to take out of it, [...]" No other character in Wonderland is depicted with a pocketwatch, either in Carroll's stories or McGee's adaptation, meaning that the only character it could possibly be is White Rabbit.
2. The issue of the silhouette is more complicated. The Queen of Hearts, whom we can all agree appears, does so surrounded by flames, and uses her tentacles to drag Alice into the inferno. Obviously, Alice does not go willingly, and it's simple to conclude that the Queen's ambush was malevolent in nature (and my goodness, what else could it be? That's not how you invite your mortal enemy to tea). This brings us to the silhouette opposite the Queen, who undeniably resembles the White Rabbit as seen in McGee's adaptation. The problem is that the White Rabbit is Alice's ally, not her enemy; so why would her trusted comrade appear alongside her arch-nemesis, shrouded in the same wicked flames and doing nothing to prevent the Queen's assault on Alice? A number of theories could be deduced from this: the White Rabbit has switched sides, much like how the Mad Hatter went from friend to foe in the time span between the books and the first game; a malicious White Rabbit Doppelgänger has been created/recruited by the Queen; or that this materialization of good and evil characters side-by-side was simply meant to entice longtime fans who are rabidly awaiting this sequel. Problem is, all these theories, along with any others you might come up with, are complete speculation and can't possibly be confirmed until McGee or Spicy Horse elaborates on it in the future, or the game itself is released (and presumably, this article will be radically changed by then, possibly rendering this argument irrelevant). This conundrum, combined with the fact that bringing up the White Rabbit again after being mentioned the sentence before in a different context (and, as we have established, it WAS the White Rabbit) only serves to confuse the reader and clutter the article... ergo, the best solution is not to mention this second silhouette at all.

I hope this sufficiently explains why I keep making these changes, and I would implore you to explain your rationale and line of thinking here as well before changing the above-mentioned disputed information. Thank you! The Mach Turtle (talk) 08:06, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

There are too many instances of wishful and hopeful thinking, however unless a publisher EA, Aspyr, etc actually posts an announcement then most likely there is no mac version. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bloodycelt (talk • contribs) 13:09, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

= Rumours =

I can't find any reviews on gameinformer on PSMUS websites, please give references or post a link in the external lnks section. 88.111.176.7 (talk) 12:12, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

= Reception? =

What happened to the reception section, I know that there are several dozen reviews on various sites — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.112.152.201 (talk) 16:33, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

= Plot description =

The plot section is poorly written and looks more like a resumé, full of spoilers. If I had the time, I'd fix it myself, but I don't, so does anyone care to rewrite the plot section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.161.231.88 (talk) 23:16, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

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