Talk:Amina Bokhary controversy

STSC commented about wishing to see her ethnicity mentioned. I have put it in. However, I would just comment that I fail to see how it is at all relevant. The issues result from her being a scion of the legal/political establishment, not from her ethnic background. Anyone wanting to delve can find what they are after by clicking on Daoud Bokhary or Ronald Arculli. Does anyone else think it should be removed? --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 16:27, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

:It's because she does not have a Chinese name. Briefly Mentioning her ethnicity would just satisfy any curiosity from the readers. However, the sentence "Her paternal grandfather...was a stockbroker" does sound very irrelevant and should be removed. Can we just say she's from a Pakistani family settled in Hong Kong? STSC (talk) 17:05, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

:I also don't see the revelence, seems a bit pointy to me. I agree with Ohconfucius - click on the link if you want genetic ancestry , unless you assert the subjects genetic ancestry is a notable part of this controversy. Off2riorob (talk) 17:27, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Wasn't she found guilty to the criminal charges in the incidents mentioned under "Prior incidents"? So, she had previous convictions. STSC (talk) 16:32, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

• This sort of thing is exactly the reason why the article was, in its previous guise, deleted as being an attack page. It might be the case that she's been convicted, it's already there for readers to read. It doesn't need a L3 heading to the effect. --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 16:48, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

::Yes, this content was removed completely because it was an attack page and there was an OTRS complaint - If there is a desire or attempts to return the content towards that position I support its speedy removal. Personally I think the content is still a bit bloated but Ohconfucius is an experienced editor and I understand little about the issue - Person with notable parents gets a light sentence is hardy even notable if you ask me. Off2riorob (talk) 17:22, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

:::Previously the article was a biography which was unbalanced with too much on her criminal history. This article is about controversy; her previous convictions are the major factors of this controversy. Therefore, there's the need to emphasize it. STSC (talk) 17:36, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

::::Drunk and dizzy and a taxi driver refusing to take your credit card and Careless driving , slapping a copper - its hardly worthy of criminal note. This article as I see it is a partisan coatracking attack on her father. Although saying that is not a reflection on the current article but more of a reflection on why articles were written about this matter in the primary instance. Off2riorob (talk) 17:42, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

:::::Attacking a policeman is a serious offence by any standard unless you're from a lawless society. STSC (talk) 18:12, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

::::::The main reason I reverted the title change was that in the 2001 incident, she was arrested and charged, but not convicted in court. Titling the section "Previous convictions" is therefore incorrect and may get you into legal trouble. --Deryck C. 18:43, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

:::::::According to the text (assuming it is accurate), she was found guilty and fined in the 1st incident; and she pleaded guilty and was sentenced in the 2nd incident. These are previous convictions. STSC (talk) 19:19, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

::::::The paragraph did include charges against her for which she didn't get convicted, like the cocaine charge. I'd prefer "Previous/Prior incidents" just to be pedantic that the focus of the section was previous clashes with the police, not their associated criminal convictions; however if you really want to change it I won't revert you. --Deryck C. 23:08, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

:::::The incident was blown out of all proportion by people playing politics. She was but the pawn in the game, unfortunately. Nevertheless, the incident was notable because of that, and because of who she was, as there was discussion on radio and in the papers for weeks upon weeks – not that everything in the media is worth writing an article on. --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 01:08, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

:::::::If the overall consensus is to keep a milder undertone then I can compromise on that. STSC (talk) 04:14, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

I think there's too much biographical details on Amina, and I would want to see it shortened a bit. STSC (talk) 18:18, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

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I removed the quotation marks on the citation along with the comment after it, which were added by Ohconfucius. A search on The Standard would show that Mary Ma is a regular columnist on The Standard. It follows that it doesn't matter whether "Mary Ma" is the author's real name or a pseudonym, because everyone would refer to this author by this name. Either way, we should respect the author's preference to be addressed by this name when referring to the newspaper column. Deryck C. 16:03, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

• Although I'm pretty sure that 'Mary Ma' is only a pseudonym – sexier than 'Editorial', I will defer to your judgement on this. --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 16:12, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

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