Talk:Andrei Gromyko#RFC: Infobox image

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There is currently a disagreement over which photo is a better choice for the lede. Please share your preference with regards to either Image "A" or "B" of the following 3 images below.

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| image3 = John F. Kennedy, Andrei Gromyko (cropped) (2).jpg

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| caption2 = B

| caption3 = C

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}} Emiya1980 (talk) 04:54, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

::{{ping|Rjensen|Trust Is All You Need}} In light of your significant contributions to the Andrei Gromyko article (as well as relatively recent evidence of your continued interest in said article), you are invited to participate in a discussion regarding its lede image. Should you feel so inclined, please share your thoughts below. Thank you. Emiya1980 (talk) 03:37, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

:Both images are good but I think the color image has better resolution. Thank you for your attention. 2804:14D:A482:9D72:DCC9:A70B:1E6B:9F09 (talk) 09:45, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

2804:14D:A482:9D72:D1D3:1CFB:F31B:D7EF Emiya1980 (talk) 04:58, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

::I prefer B. The lighting of A is significantly poorer and the profile of his figure is obscured by shadow. Emiya1980 (talk) 05:13, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

:::I respectufully disagree. I think image color is more appropriate for the lede. 2804:14D:A482:9D72:DCC9:A70B:1E6B:9F09 (talk) 09:07, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

::::Correction: respectfully. 2804:14D:A482:9D72:DCC9:A70B:1E6B:9F09 (talk) 09:11, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:I sometimes give third opinions and see no reason to have avoided this topic. This is not an official third opinion since your request was closed, but hopefully it will suffice.

:All three photos are reasonably good options, so I will explain my thought process. Normally I would use the color photo. In this case, A is not very flattering, having caught the subject with an awkward mouth position, and there is a lack of contrast that causes his hair to disappear into the background.. Because I am a firm believer that people should be memorialized in Wikipedia as their height, and not in the most aged status or in a bad photo, B or C seem better options. Despite the fact that B has random people in the background and an arm coming out of his head, I still like it better. It is a clean and focused imaged with depth. In contrast, C has exposure issues and his hair and suit blend into the drapes; this problem will worsen when viewed in a smaller size on smaller screens. So, my personal preference is B.

:However, we need to review the Manual of Style before reaching a conclusion.MOS:PORTRAIT says "For images of people...it is preferable to place it so that they are facing towards the text, to draw readers attention into the text." Since the infobox is located to the right, that means the image should face to the left. This limits us to B or C. MOS:IMAGEQUALITY says "A biography should lead with a portrait photograph of the subject alone, not with other people." Thus, photo C wins according to MOS. However, there is another caveat; we are also supposed to look at image quality. The question becomes: does the quality of B over C outweigh the guidelines of MOS:IMAGEQUALITY. I think it does. Especially since the other people are clearly in the background, making the main subject obvious.

:Hope this helps. Rublamb (talk) 08:07, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

::{{ping|Doniago}} How can you have a discussion when only two people (including myself) show signs of wanting to participate? I prefer one image for the article's lede while another user prefers a different one. There's hardly room for a consensus to be reached.

::What other methods of dispute resolution do you suggest? Emiya1980 (talk) 03:14, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

:::For one thing, you haven't actually had a discussion, you've done little more than simply stating your respective views. I also don't see any reference to any policies or guidelines to explain what might constitute the better photo for Wikipedia purposes.

:::As a start, though, you might request that additional editors weigh in from the WikiProjects that are related to this article, which are listed at the top of this page. That's usually a better first step than requesting a 3O. DonIago (talk) 06:25, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

::{{ping|Doniago}} We’ve shared our perspectives on the images in question and disagree with each other’s viewpoint. Since then, I have posted tags to at least two other WikiProjects and no one else has responded after over 2 weeks. With regards to your argument that a discussion has not taken place, I can state my opinion in favor of a certain image only so many times to another editor who has made clear he/she is dead-set against it. What more do you need me to do before requesting a 3PO?Emiya1980 (talk) 17:54, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

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Which of the following images should serve as the lead image for Andrei Gromyko? Emiya1980 (talk) 22:05, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

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| image2 = Andrei Gromyko 1972 (cropped).jpg

| image3 = John F. Kennedy, Andrei Gromyko (cropped) (2).jpg

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Emiya1980 (talk) 22:05, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

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• I prefer B as it's less blurred. CVDX (talk) 23:37, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
• Option A {{summoned by bot}} as it is the most recent. TarnishedPath^talk 04:05, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
• :While I respect your opinion, I don't see anything in MOS to suggest that this is a selection criteria. Rublamb (talk) 08:16, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
• ::All images are of sufficient quality. For me the other people in the background of B is distracting and A is both in colour and more recent. TarnishedPath^talk 08:50, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
• :::According to MOS, you are correct about the other people in the image. Please see my analysis of MOS above. Rublamb (talk) 08:56, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
• B as it has the best quality. I'm not sure if Elizabeth II is a good example to use, but there was consensus there to use a photo from 1959. Justiyaya 04:42, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
• :On Elizabeth II, the image used is an official portrait. I've seen official portraits, even if a bit old, preferred on a number of occasions for heads of state/political leaders. TarnishedPath^talk 08:54, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
• B: please see my analysis in the discussion above, where I review MOS guidelines for images. Rublamb (talk) 08:14, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
• B {{summoned by bot}}, slightly clearer image, though neither is particularly good. Pincrete (talk) 15:52, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
• B per above. Mellk (talk) 15:53, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
• I prefer B, because it's crisply in focus and he's looking almost straight at the camera. B with the irrelevant background blurred away would be even better. The cropping on A is a little weird. It feels like his head is being shoved into the upper left corner. His face is too small in A because so much space in the photo is dedicated to his clothing. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:42, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
• A The status quo isn’t ideal, but I agree with TarnishedPath. In the black and white photo, he’s not even looking at the camera, which is somewhat distracting. Since none of the options presented here are a clear improvement, and any future, better image would render this entire discussion moot, I don’t see a strong reason to change it at this point. Nemov (talk) 16:11, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
• B for reasons I’ve already set forth above.Emiya1980 (talk) 16:53, 17 June 2025 (UTC)