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What is the purpose of the [[Argumentation theory#Sources|Sources]] section?

I just undid [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Argumentation_theory&diff=659167419&oldid=656461869 the latest edit] to this page because someone added a source to the Sources section without citing that source in the article. That edit looked to me as if it might be self-promotion (WP:SELFCITE) of a freshly-published article. But then I looked at the Sources section and wondered: Is this section really a "Further reading" section, rather than a list of sources that were used to write the article? If the citations in the Sources section really were used to write the article, then shouldn't they be inserted into inline {{tag|ref|o}} tags? Another option is to use Harvard citation templates (a form of short citations) in the {{tag|ref|o}} tags to point to an alphabetical list of citations in the Sources section (for an example, see how citations are handled in the [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Common_factors_theory&oldid=650162961 Common factors theory] article). In other words, this article, as it currently stands, has a mix of citation styles that should be standardized into a single citation style (per WP:CITEVAR). If you have any ideas about what that standard citation style should be, please share your ideas below. Biogeographist (talk) 14:03, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

I agree that the Notes sections is mostly references, and that sources is mostly further reading; I've changed the headings to reflect this. Klbrain (talk) 10:40, 10 April 2018 (UTC) {{resolved}}

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Requested move 23 August 2023

:The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. Per unanimous consensus below, the redirect will instead be retargeted. (closed by non-admin page mover) SilverLocust 💬 20:21, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

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:Argumentation theory → {{no redirect|Argumentation}} – Argumentation redirects here and is clearly the more WP:COMMONNAME. Despite the lead section having been edited to describe Argumentation theory as a discipline or field of study, the page is still basically just about argumentation itself (the concept of people communicating via arguing or how arguments logically function/operate). Wolfdog (talk) 21:06, 23 August 2023 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 15:23, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Oppose "argumentation" should redirect to argument per its definition wikt:en:argumentation or be a disambiguation page similar to Parametrization (disambiguation) with its see also to parameter (disambiguation) or in this case would be argument (disambiguation) -- 67.70.25.80 (talk) 08:50, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
Oppose the requested move to {{no redirect|Argumentation}}. The current name is fine; it has been established since the initial edit in 2004 and should continue, since the subject of this article is the {{em|field of study of argumentation}}, known as {{em|argumentation theory}}, and not simply the practice of argument/argumentation. The article Argument is closer to the latter subject. The proposal said {{tq|Despite the lead section having been edited to describe Argumentation theory as a discipline or field of study}}: this is a mistake or misrepresentation, as the lead section has been about argumentation theory from the first edit; it was not subsequently changed to the current subject: see the first edit here. The suggestion to change {{no redirect|Argumentation}} to a disambiguation page seems worth considering. Biogeographist (talk) 22:12, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

:*It seems like the above two editors then would prefer that the link Argumentation lands at Argument. That strikes me as sensible. I'd happily make that change and rescind this Requested Move. (I'll wait a few more days though.) Wolfdog (talk) 18:14, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

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Oppose. As IP and Biogeographist said, Argumentation ⤳ Argument, and this article should stay as Argumentation theory, that is different from the subject of study. --Onwa (talk) 16:08, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

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Proposed merge of [[Writing in Argumentation Theory]] into [[Argumentation theory]]

Per David Eppstein's comment here [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Writing_in_Argumentation_Theory&oldid=1262722667]. Writing in Argumentation Theory is a WP:CONTENTFORK, which mostly discusses the topics of argumentation theory, with little emphasis on writing. ~ A412 ^talk! 08:13, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Support. Be bold and have at it! Daask (talk) 16:55, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
Oppose: There is nothing of sufficient quality in Writing in Argumentation Theory that can be merged into Argumentation theory. The "History of written argumentation" section in the the former article is based on WP:PRIMARY sources. The student editor who wrote it did not follow Wikipedia's WP:PSTS policy. Writing in Argumentation Theory should either be deleted as redundant or converted into a simple redirect to Argumentation theory. Again, there's nothing worth merging here. Biogeographist (talk) 20:04, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

As there was no further discussion after more than a week, I converted {{noredirect|Writing in Argumentation Theory}} to a redirect to Argumentation theory per my rationale above. The content of the former article can be accessed at Special:Permalink/1270901336 if anyone wishes to review it for salvageable content to merge. Biogeographist (talk) 22:12, 30 January 2025 (UTC)