Talk:Aryan

Where do the Vedas mention :Āryāvarta? As far as [https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/aryavarta I can see], it's mentioned in the smriti, specifically the Dharmashastras, not in the Vedas. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 06:09, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Doesn't Darius the Great of Persia specifically refer to himself as Ariya-ciča meaning "Aryan Bread"? Shadzad (talk) 10:52, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

:can 5.47.72.119 (talk) 21:57, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Which is to say it absolutely was used to refer to ones genes, ie race? Shadzad (talk) 10:53, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

:You mean "bred"? Even if that's the case, it could mean caste, tribe, or similar, which is not equivalent. FunkMonk (talk) 09:12, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

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To answer the question you asked [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aryan&diff=995632713&oldid=995579429 here]. I would mention that the lead was written after long discussion per [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Aryan#New_text_contributed_by_Mojobadshah here] by multiple experienced editors and probably you were there too. I was only restoring this edit. The lead was unilaterally modified recently on [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aryan&diff=985950590&oldid=985321663 here] with a dubious edit summary. This is why I restored established lead version.

Can you restore my edit? Riddhidev BISWAS (talk) 22:20, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

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:Well, you also reverted corrections to the lead, with your wholesale revert. The discussion from november 2015 was about Mallory; what you reinserted was the following about de Gobineau's ideas:

:{{talkquote|Drawing on misinterpreted references in the Rigveda by Western scholars in the 19th century, the term "Aryan" was adopted as a racial category by French writer Arthur de Gobineau, whose ideology of race was based on an idea of blond northern European "Aryans" who had migrated across the world and founded all major civilizations, before being diluted through racial mixing with local populations. Through the works of Houston Stewart Chamberlain, Gobineau's ideas later influenced the Nazi racial ideology which saw the "Aryan race" as innately superior to other putative racial groups.{{sfn|Anthony|2007|pp=9–11}} The atrocities committed in the name of this racial ideology have led academics to avoid the term "Aryan", which has been replaced in most cases by "Indo-Iranian", with only the South Asian branch still being called "Indo-Aryan".}}

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:That's quite a long piece for the lead, almost as long as the info in the body of the article. With other words, WP:UNDUE. But the lead seems to miss, indeed, info on the modern usage, including the racist fallacies. And the article itself is messy. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 10:19, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

:I've re-ordered the info, in line with the clean-up tags and the inline-comments; I'll leave it to more knowledgebale editors to remove the doublures. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 10:45, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

::Huge improvements to the article, Joshua Jonathan. Thanks for your work. Generalrelative (talk) 16:59, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

:::Thanks; glad you appreciate it. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 17:01, 23 December 2020 (UTC)