Talk:Assassination of Qasem Soleimani

{{atop|This has been going on as a pseudo-RM since June 2023. This is not an RM, and even if it was, there is no consensus for moving the article. If you still want to try to get this moved, start an RM using the system described here. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:50, 11 October 2024 (UTC)}}

The word assassination connotes illegality and wrongdoing, but General Soleimani was justly targeted by the U.S. military due to his involvement in the IRGC and leadership of the Quds Force, as well as his support of various terrorist groups around the Middle East, targeting Israel and the United States.

The word "killing" on the other hand is more neutral and has been used for similar events, for example the "Killing of Osama Bin Laden," who was killed in a U.S. military operation, the same as Soleimani. 2601:246:C100:6450:F091:6D8D:6AC6:DD77 (talk) 18:41, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

• Agree. Killing of Qasem Soleimani is better. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 19:55, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Current title describes the subject accurately. The proposed one is ambiguous in that in he might have been unintentionally killed.--95.12.119.26 (talk) 20:02, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
• OpposeThis was an illegal targeted killing of an individual for political reasons. It fulfils every possible nuance of the word Assassination. Killing is unnecessarily ambiguous.Boynamedsue (talk) 22:38, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
• No, current title is better, for reasons outlined in the prior RM. -sche (talk) 20:44, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
• Strongest oppose. It wasn't some "killing", it was assassination in its dictionary meaning. — kashmīrī ^TALK 21:52, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

:: For your information, since you brought up the subject's alleged wrongdoings, another term for such acts is extrajudicial execution. I won't object renaming to Extrajudicial execution of Qasem Soleimani. — kashmīrī ^TALK 21:55, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose This was a targeted assassination. Dimadick (talk) 21:58, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose - Killing a politically prominent person by sudden or secret attack is assassination. Call it simply a "killing" is not WP:PRECISE. NickCT (talk) 01:29, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Kind of late to the discussion, nevertheless, the subject was targeted. "Assassination" is the correct word. Keivan.f^Talk 03:46, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
• Agree. Per NPOV as per "Killing of Osama Bin Laden.” XavierItzm (talk) 16:16, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
• Agree. Assassination refers only to unlawful targeted killing, and the United States’ position is that it was lawful. Therefore, NPOV should forbid the use of “assassination” in the title. — Wulf (talk) 23:58, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
• :Wikipedia is not written by the US government, and the US legal system doesn't extend to Baghdad. — kashmīrī ^TALK 11:31, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
• ::No, but my statement was in respect to the US position as to both domestic and international law. And if the parties can’t agree on whether it was legal or not, then Wikipedia shouldn’t take a stance. — Wulf (talk) 21:25, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
• :"Assassination" as a term does not necessarily mean lawful or unlawful. Even as a legal term of art, in peace or in war, it seems the definition of this has varied (see [https://lieber.westpoint.edu/assassination-law-of-war/ Schmitt 2021-10-15 "Assassination in the law of war"] via West Point for a thorough overview.) But we're also not bound to find and use a strict legal definition here (and that'll inevitably just make these titles more unwieldy and/or less descriptive. Although I suppose if you really want "targeted extrajudicial killing" then that's fine; the "killing" alone though was of 5 people.). SamuelRiv (talk) 22:48, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. They key difference is that Osama Bin Laden died during an operation that was (at least supposedly) intended to arrest him. As elsewhere stated, this event matches the definition of assassination. Also note the previous RfC discussions on this --SgtLion (talk) 10:59, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Pretty sure this has been discussed ad nauseum in the past, OK, WP:CCC, but I can't see that anything has changed.Selfstudier (talk) 13:50, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose: since he wasn't convicted of a crime, the word "justified" is a matter of opinion — an opinion which the Iranians (naturally) do not share. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 23:32, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

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[https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/26/trump-campaign-hack-iran-indictment-00181321 This story by Politico] reports on an Iranian plot to hack Donald Trump's campaign. The story by Politico mentions Iranian plots to assassinate Donald Trump as retaliation for the assassination of Soleimani, but does not specifically mention that the hacking of the campaign was also a retaliation - although one seems to relate to the other (if they want him dead, they would want to sabotage his campaign).

Would there be objection to adding the hacking of Donald Trump campaign to the article as retaliation for the assassination of Qasem Soleimani? The Mountain of Eden (talk) 23:04, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

:{{tq|although one seems to relate to the other}} is textbook WP:OR. Do not add it unless a reliable source makes the connection explicit. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:06, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

::[https://abcnews.go.com/US/criminal-charges-coming-alleged-iranian-hack-trump-campaign/story?id=114243158 Found such a source] !! The Mountain of Eden (talk) 23:21, 7 October 2024 (UTC)