Talk:Atlantic City–Brigantine Connector#Urgent inquiry about traffic statistics

TahnDomín (talk) 19:05, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

:@TahnDomín, sí Over5help550 (talk) 21:56, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

I was reading the opening of this article as the featured article. As a former New Yorker, when I see "Route 87". my first thought is Interstate 87 (New York). Should Route 87 be qualified as "state" or written out as "New Jersey Route 87"? I recognize my perspective is that of a quasi=local. I don't know if the additional text would help enough people to justify even one more word when there is a link. Just my thoughts. 2600:4040:7F7A:1300:8C9F:6000:C27F:8558 (talk) 13:25, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

:Several states refer to their state highways as just “Route X”. Others refer to them as “State Route X”, and we follow those conventions in our writing. Imzadi 1979 → 15:57, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

::But it's a good idea to use the state's (or other system's) name as an introduction the first time the name is used, for just this reason. --Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 17:23, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

The article described this road as a "connector freeway" (linked to the connector road article), but later notes that there is an at-grade railroad crossing. From my understanding of the definition of "freeway" (especially the part about limited access), an at-grade crossing makes this not a freeway. Another term should be used, or the discrepancy explained (does the "freeway" designation begin after the rail crossing?). Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 17:26, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

:@Piledhigheranddeeper I will try to get you an answer. Over5help550 (talk) 21:42, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

:@Piledhigheranddeeper It is a freeway road, but an idea of it about a railway crossing as well. Over5help550 (talk) 21:45, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

:It is a freeway bridge, with a railway running beneath it or beside it, with both a freeway and a railway crossing. Over5help550 (talk) 21:48, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

:@Piledhigheranddeeper The railway is above the freeway, the freeway is called the expressway. When you look in a picture, you can clearly see the bridge, above the freeway, which contains the railway, going diagonally across the freeway. Over5help550 (talk) 22:12, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

::Actually, "the project was criticized for including a railroad grade crossing on a freeway." The nearby photo shows the track built into the pavement of the road. That's not a bridge, it's not limited access, and thus it's not a freeway. --Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 01:50, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

:::There are freeways with rail crossings. They're not ideal, and they should be removed as time goes on, but they do exist. Such crossings, while rare, do not negate the freeway status of the roadway. Imzadi 1979 → 03:18, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

::::NJDOT classifies the entire highway as an "Urban Principal Arterial Freeway/Expressway".[https://www.state.nj.us/transportation/refdata/sldiag/pdf/00000446X_-.pdf] Yes, there is one at-grade rail crossing, but all road junctions are grade-seperated. –Dream out loud (talk) 11:30, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

:::::Thank You guys for the information. 😀 Over5help550 (talk) 14:37, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

I would like you to possibly be able for us to edit this passage. It is popular and it will protect it from vandalism. Over5help550 (talk) 21:55, 27 July 2023 (UTC)