Talk:Barack Obama#Version 2

{{Article history|action1=FAC

|action1date=12 August 2004

|action1link=Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Barack Obama

|action1result=Promoted

|action1oldid=5174535

|action2=WPR

|action2date=18 August 2004

|action2link=Wikipedia:Today's featured article/August 18, 2004

|action2result=Maindate

|action2oldid=5294576

|action3=FAR

|action3date=09:53, 21 December 2007

|action3link=Wikipedia:Featured article review/Barack Obama/archive0

|action3result=pass

|action3oldid=8658294

|action4=FAR

|action4date=09:53, 23 January 2007

|action4link=Wikipedia:Featured article review/Barack Obama/archive1

|action4result=pass

|action4oldid=102622704

|action5=FAR

|action5date=22:24, July 26, 2007

|action5link=Wikipedia:Featured article review/Barack Obama/archive2

|action5result=pass

|action5oldid=147098144

|action6=FAR

|action6date=06:08, 15 April 2008

|action6link=Wikipedia:Featured article review/Barack Obama/archive3

|action6result=kept

|action6oldid=205714008

|action7=FAR

|action7date=12:56, 16 September 2008

|action7link=Wikipedia:Featured article review/Barack Obama/archive4

|action7result=kept

|action7oldid=238756853

|action8=WPR

|action8date=4 November 2008

|action8link=Wikipedia:Today's featured article/November 4, 2008

|action8result=Maindate

|action8oldid=249658914

|action9=FAR

|action9date=17:30, 2 December 2008

|action9link=Wikipedia:Featured article review/Barack Obama/archive5

|action9result=kept

|action9oldid=255411914

|action10=FAR

|action10date=03:36, 10 March 2009

|action10link=Wikipedia:Featured article review/Barack Obama/archive6

|action10result=kept

|action10oldid=276168026

|action11=FAR

|action11date=23:34, 16 March 2010

|action11link=Wikipedia:Featured article review/Barack Obama/archive7

|action11result=kept

|action11oldid=349918777

|action12=FAR

|action12date=12:32, 17 March 2010

|action12link=Wikipedia:Featured article review/Barack Obama/archive8

|action12result=kept

|action12oldid=350447914

|action13=FAR

|action13date=12:32, 17 June 2012

|action13link=Wikipedia:Featured article review/Barack Obama/archive9

|action13result=kept

|action13oldid=497955278

|action14=FAR

|action14date=20:51, 22 October 2012

|action14link=Wikipedia:Featured article review/Barack Obama/archive10

|action14result=kept

|action14oldid=519144660

|action15 = FAR

|action15date = 2021-12-04

|action15link = Wikipedia:Featured article review/Barack Obama/archive11

|action15result = demoted

|action15oldid = 1058343247

|currentstatus=FFA

|maindate=August 18, 2004

|maindate2=November 4, 2008

|itndate=November 5, 2008

|otd1date=November 5, 2013

|otd1oldid=579954170

|otd2date=November 4, 2016

|otd2oldid=747850418

|otd3date=2022-11-04|otd3oldid=1119935935

}}

{{WikiProject banner shell|class=B|collapsed=yes|vital=yes|listas=Obama, Barack|1=

{{WikiProject Biography|politician-work-group=yes|politician-priority=top|s&a-work-group=yes|s&a-priority=top}}

{{WikiProject United States|importance=Top|DC=yes|DC-importance=High|USGov=yes|USGov-importance=Top|USSL=yes|USSL-importance=Low|USPresidents=yes|USPresidents-importance=Top|USPE=yes|USPE-importance=Top|portal1-name=United States|portal1-link=Selected biography/4|portal2-name=Illinois|portal2-link=Selected biography/1|portal3-name=Chicago|portal3-link=Selected biography/7|portal4-name=Hawaii|portal4-link=Selected biography/11}}

{{WikiProject Politics|importance=high|American=y|American-importance=Top}}

{{WikiProject New York (state)|importance=Low|Columbia=yes|Columbia-importance=high}}

{{WikiProject Africa|importance=Mid|Kenya=yes|Kenya-importance=High}}

| blp=yes

}}

{{press

| collapsed=yes

| title = On Wikipedia, Debating 2008 Hopefuls' Every Facet | author = Jose Antonio Vargas | date = September 17, 2007 | url = http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/16/AR2007091601699.html | org = The Washington Post

| title2 = 'Round the Clock: Obama, Clinton Wiki-Warfare | author2 = Alison Stewart, Rachel Martin | date2 = April 3, 2008 | url2 = http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89333759&sc=emaf | org2 = The Bryant Park Project, NPR

| title11 = Obama Wikipedia page under possible security attack | author11 = Adrian Bridgwater | date11 = January 22, 2009 | url11 = http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,1001960o-2000458459b,00.htm | org11 = ZDNet

| title13 = Obama's Wikipedia Page Distances President from Wright and Ayers | author13 = Joshua Rhett Miller | date13 = March 9, 2009 | url13 = http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,507244,00.html | org13 = Fox News Channel

| title14 = Barack Obama 'receives preferential treatment on Wikipedia', report claims | author14 = Mark Coleman | date14 = March 10, 2009 | url14 = http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/technology/wikipedia/4965132/Barack-Obama-receives-preferential-treatment-on-Wikipedia-report-claims.html | org14 = The Daily Telegraph

| author16 = Staff | date16 = August 17, 2009 | url16 = http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/wikipedia/6043534/The-50-most-viewed-Wikipedia-articles-in-2009-and-2008.html | title16 = The 50 most-viewed Wikipedia articles in 2009 and 2008 | org16 = The Daily Telegraph

| subject17 = article

| author17 =

| title17 = Wikipedia co-founder Larry Sanger says online encyclopedia scrapped neutrality, favors lefty politics

| org17 = Fox News

| url17 = https://www.foxnews.com/media/wikipedia-co-founder-larry-sanger-says-online-dictionary-scrapped-neutrality-favors-lefty-politics

| date17 = 2020-05-21

| quote17 = The first example pointed out by the site’s co-founder is that President Barack Obama’s page “completely fails to mention many well-known scandals” such as Benghazi, the IRS scandal, the AP phone records scandal and the so-called "Fast and Furious" operation.

| archiveurl17 =

| archivedate17 =

| accessdate17 = 2020-05-22

}}

{{User:MiszaBot/config

|archiveheader = {{aan}}

|maxarchivesize = 50K

|counter = 84

|minthreadsleft = 3

|minthreadstoarchive = 1

|algo = old(30d)

|archive = Talk:Barack Obama/Archive %(counter)d

}}

{{tmbox

| image = File:Nuvola apps kdict.svg

| text = Bookmarks:

}}

{{Banner holder|collapsed=yes|

{{Top 25 Report|Jan 20 2013|Jul 24 2016|Nov 6 2016|Jan 15 2017|Nov 1 2020|Nov 8 2020}}

{{Annual report|2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 and 2020}}

}}

New infobox portrait

The current official portrait used in the infobox is over a decade old, I propose a more recent image such as this one from 2023. Infobox portraits of living people should aim to show them closer to how they currently exist, rather than how they looked at their most important or best (that's for after they've died). File:Barack Obama 23.jpg Lord Beesus (talk) 06:43, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

:I agree with the sentiment. The image on offer is satisfactory for our purposes. Dolphin (t) 07:11, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

:I also agree with the sentiment. The submitted photo is fine for the purpose. Carlstak (talk) 17:55, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

:I oppose. Check the WP:LEADIMAGEs for his predecessors and successors, granted that W. and Clinton are arguably the comparable ones, as in alive and haven't been president for awhile. WP:OTHERCONTENT, but IMO relevant, Obama being the only president without the official portrait as leadimage would be weird. This pic can have a home elsewhere in the article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:15, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

::W. and Clinton should also definitely have more up to date lead images. Clinton (and Gore)'s are both over 30 years old and grossly misrepresentative of their current selves. I've put a similar motion up on the Clinton page. Wikimedia commons doesn't really have any decent more recent Gore photos though, otherwise I would be making the same suggestion there. Lord Beesus (talk) 05:16, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

:Disagree (at least on proposed image). The current image is satisfactory and is well suited to an encyclopedia. If there is another "official portrait"-quality image out there, then it's a good idea. But i personally don't think this image is an improvement in anything other than recency. JackFromWisconsin (talk | contribs) 20:54, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

:no, a biography of a president should retain the last official portrait. this is a head of state and we should present a level of formality beyond what one finds on the bio of an instagram model. ValarianB (talk) 18:45, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

::Bill Clinton's last official portrait is over 30 years old, it would be ridiculous to argue that it should be prioritised over a high-quality newer portrait just because it isn't official. Lord Beesus (talk) 13:32, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

:::Afaict, it's generally how we do it for these types of people, I guess it appears common sense/good enough to many Wikipedians. Consider Paul Keating and his successors. All the leadimages are either an official portrait or a pic from their tenure. The British PM:s are a sometimes a little different, but that seems to be because some of them gets new official portraits in their new job, like Theresa May is now a Lord Temporal. Yes, this is WP:OTHERCONTENT, but I'm trying to see a bigger picture here. I see no need to change this "convention". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:46, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Oppose All living former presidents have their official portraits on display. Unless a more updated official portrait were to be released such as in the case of Theresa May or even John Kerry then yes. However seeing as how that's unlikely, there's no need to change the status quo of replacing outdated presidential portraits for recent ones. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:46, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

Isn't Obama American-African and not African-American?

I was under the impression African-American was specifically the group created as a result of slavery who don't know their exact heritage roots due to that and live most directly in the shadow of slavery, while American-African was from Post-Slavery immigrants from Africa and their children. 2604:3D09:1F7F:8B00:BD3D:E205:3FFA:8185 (talk) 22:02, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

:I'm sure that's a terminological distinction someone came up with and that has some use in discussing American race relations, but suffice it to say that it's not made by default by Americans in my experience. Remsense ‥ 论 22:11, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

:Seconding that in my experience, American-African is not a term that is actually used. Some people do use African-American in the more narrow sense you describe, but lots of people use the term more broadly, and most pertinently, the available reliable sources about Obama refer to him as African-American all the time, so we follow their lead here. -- LWG ^talk 22:41, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

:See Q2 under "Frequently asked questions" above on this talkpage, African_Americans#Terminology_dispute, American Descendants of Slavery and for example [https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/08/the-wikipedia-war-over-kamala-harris-race/615250/ The Wikipedia War That Shows How Ugly This Election Will Be].

:Fwiw, some thoughts on "American-African" [https://www.npr.org/sections/goats-and-soda/2024/08/16/g-s1-16960/african-art-exhibit-statues-barbershops-colonial-era here]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:35, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 June 2025

I want to reword this sentence: "He took 92 of the state's 102 counties, including several where Democrats traditionally do not do well" to "He took 92 of the state's 102 counties, including several where Democrats traditionally do not perform well" DevShep (talk) 14:00, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}} Day Creature (talk) 15:18, 24 June 2025 (UTC)