Talk:Battle of Mandalgarh#Issues about sources and content

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North8000 (talk) 23:10, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

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I just spot-checking the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Mandalgarh&oldid=1277393192 current version of the article] in response to this AN appeal, and I have a number of questions/concerns about its sources and content:

1. What makes the 1918 book [https://archive.org/details/maharanasangahin00sardrich/page/n6/mode/1up Maharana Sanga] a WP:HISTRS-compliant source?
2. Which of the cited (reliable) sources name the confrontation between the forces of Zafar Khan and Rana Raimal, the "Battle of Mandalgarh" specifically?
3. Which sources date it to 1473?
4. The [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Mandalgarh&oldid=1277393192#Outcome Outcome section] of the current version is mainly sourced to [https://archive.org/details/medievalmalwaapo001927mbp/page/n238/mode/1up Day (1965)], which is careful to attribute the accounts to Rajasthan historians/texts and points out that these accounts in their "enthusiasm to glorify Rai Mal" are error-ridden. Why was the attribution removed and even the specific error (ie, supposed conquest of Kotah) pointed out by Day repeated in the wikipedia article?
5. More fundamentally, why is this (afaict) unnamed battle, which is covered in at most a few sentences in the cited sources notable enough to have a separate article rather than be simply covered in the articles of the concerned rulers/kingdoms?

Abecedare (talk) 17:01, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

:@Abecedare: Thanks for your quick spot check, let me address the issues:

:#Removed Sarda because of his dubious status.

:#Per [https://archive.org/details/dli.ministry.14106/page/48/mode/1up Somani]: {{tq|Like his father Mahmud Kihilji, Gayas-ud-din also endeavoured to take Mandalgarh...He collected an immense army and proceeded towards Mandalgarh, The invading army was budly defeated and was ubliged to retreat.}}

:#Sources aren't sure of the dates although the event was sudden aftermath of the Mahmud Khaljis invasion of Dunagpur and Siege of Chittor which occurred in 1473 per [https://archive.org/details/dli.ministry.14106/page/n159/mode/1up Somani]. For more references see [https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.147204/page/n51/mode/1up Mathur] (which is relatively old source however the author's work is based on his PhD thesis): {{green|between 1473 and 1488 A.D....When Rai Mal of Mewar heard this news he collected a large army consisting of the rulers of Aser, Raisen, Chatsoor, Lalsot, Toda, Bundi, Amber, Ajmer, Chanderi etc. and attacked Mandalgarh...}} Nonetheless the date parameter should reflect like: {{tq|Sometimes between 1473 – 1488}}.

:#Will address the attribution issues

:#The event has indeed not much of coverage, so merging or simply redirecting to Siege of Chittor#Aftermath is an option. Other sources like [https://archive.org/details/dli.bengal.10689.12483/page/n841/mode/1up Nizami] provides not more than 6-7 lines of coverage if we only focus on the Battle and not its background and aftermath: {{tq|To avenge these defeats, Sultan Ghiyasuddin sent an army under Zafar Khan to reduce the region of Mandalgarh. Zafar relentlessly ravaged the eastern part of Mewar, but the forces sent by the Rana and headed by the princes, Prithviraja, Jaimal, and Sanga and by some chosen chiefs like Ram Singh, Patta, Kandhal, etc., fell upon the army of the Sultan and completely defeated it.}}

:I'll willingly redirect it to the suggested targeted if this doesn't deserves a standalone article. – Garuda ^Talk! 22:44, 25 March 2025 (UTC)