Talk:Benjamin Britten#FA push

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Following both previous discussions from Talk:Benjamin_Britten/Archive_1#Infobox and Talk:Benjamin_Britten/Archive_2#Hidden comments, should this composer article, along with the honourific title "The Right Honourable, The Lord Britten" to the infobox? Surveyor Mount 11:41, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

• {{Reply to|Surveyor Mount}}, can you clarify what you are requesting? Do you want to include "The Right Honourable, The Lord Britten" to the current article, or add an infobox that includes "The Right Honourable, The Lord Britten?" Nemov (talk) 17:29, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
• :This can be included honorific titles per MOS:HONORIFIC (e.g. Sir) within | honorific_prefix = parameter. Surveyor Mount 02:36, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
• ::{{Infobox person

| honorific_prefix = The Right Honourable

| name = Benjamin Britten

| honorific_suffix = OM

| image = Benjamin Britten, London Records 1968 publicity photo for Wikipedia.jpg

| alt = middle-aged white man, clean-shaven, seated, with musical score on his lap

| caption = Britten in 1968, by Hans Wild

| birth_name =

| birth_date = {{Birth date|1913|11|22|df=y}}

| birth_place = Lowestoft, Suffolk, England

| death_date = {{Death date and age|1976|12|4|1913|11|22|df=y}}

| death_place = Aldeburgh, Suffolk, England

| occupation = Composer

| years active =

| awards =

| works = List of compositions

}}{{Reply to|Surveyor Mount}} this article doesn't include an infobox. An infobox would have to be added before a discussion about that parameter could take place or you could propose an infobox similar to this example including the honorific prefix, but if so you should reformat this RfC with that specific proposal. I hope this helps, Thanks! - Nemov (talk) 03:13, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

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I added an infobox, but Nikkimaria got rid of it. Why is infobox adding so hard? Talk:Benjamin Britten/Archive 1#Infobox, which the hidden comment linked to, seemed to suggest that there is a {{tq|consensus that has developed against using popular music infoboxes on articles about composers}} (even though Talk:Benjamin Britten/Archive 2#Hidden comments suggests that {{tq|it has a chilling effect on editors who don't understand that Wikiprojects have no standing to demand that an infobox may not be added}}), but I don't understand. Can someone explain? IMHO, infoboxes are good, and every article should have an infobox if a suitable infobox template exists, because they help present key info at a glance (for readers who don't want to read through the entire article); they're sometimes also used on other websites as well (eg Google search results). Duckmather (talk) 18:42, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

:Some of the arguments relevant to the archived comment are linked from here if you are interested in the background. The applicable guideline notes that such templates are neither required nor prohibited. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:06, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

In September 2024 his Lowestoft birthplace, and seafront family home for more than 20 years, now a 10-bedroom commercial guesthouse, was offered for sale at an asking price of £795,000, as reported by the BBC [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgrz4qwqlgo here]. There's a blue plaque, as shown [https://www.brittenhouse.co.uk/en-GB here]. But perhaps the sale is of no significance. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:02, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

: I'd have thought the first time it ceased to be the family's property, whenever that was, would be worth a mention. But after that, not really. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 07:38, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

::The blue plaque should be just overlooked? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:36, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

I agree 100% with the first sentence [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Benjamin_Britten&diff=1248161333&oldid=1248160812 here]. I can sympathize with the opinion that including age is redundant when dates are listed, but it makes no sense to argue that it's somehow not redundant when provided via a template. And given that it's included in the lead of a large number of articles via template, I'm not seeing any valid rationale why it cannot be included via text here. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:57, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

:Oh good, we both agree that this whole thing is silly. At least we agree on something. Now, for the record, you are putting words into my mouth. I literally never said specifying the age of death is not redundant when it's inside an infobox; I do believe it's redundant as well, especially since people can simply do the math to know at what age a person has died. But my whole point is about CONSISTENCY, to which you have not answered. The thing is, the vast majority of biographical articles DO have the age of death when there's an infobox, but DON'T when there's no infobox; it may seem dumb, and it probably is, but I didn't make the "rules", if you can call it that. But fair enough, if you really think it's important to specify Britten's age of death, I suggest the following: instead of putting it right after the dates of birth and death, I propose editing the final sentence in the lead section from "In his last year, he was the first composer to be given a life peerage." to "In 1976, he was the first composer to be given a life peerage. He died shortly afterwards, aged 63". This, I believe, is a good compromise. What do you think? --Johnn Francis (talk) 01:07, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

::I see that approach as equally valid. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:13, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

:::Oh, nice to hear that! So, should I make the change, or should you? --Johnn Francis (talk) 01:15, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

::::I would suggest you do so. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:20, 28 September 2024 (UTC)