Talk:Breast#Assessment - September 2017

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--But hey, wouldn't male "breasts" technically be called "pecs"? Wouldn't a male "breast" technically be called a "pec"?

--MadeForLaw (talk) 02:26, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

:No, "pecs" is slang for Pectoral muscles. Both women and men have those muscles which are essential to upper arm motion. Breast tissue is completely different than muscle tissue. Cullen328 (talk) 02:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

::FYI MadeForLaw has been blocked as a sockpuppet of WP:LTA/GF36. She's both edited articles about body parts before and asked general questions about the subject of a page on talk pages before (from what I know these kinds of questions belong at the reference desk and not on talk pages) :User:Wizzito | :User talk:Wizzito 21:21, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm concerned with the image description in the "Hormone Replacement Therapy" subsection of the "Development" section. I think it should read "an AMAB individual" because "biological male" is transphobic. 149.154.29.204 (talk) 14:25, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

:We do not know if they are a transwoman, please see femboy and genderqueer. This is also in a medical context; the individuals gender identity is not relevant here. 𝙏𝙚𝙧𝙧𝙖𝙞𝙣𝙢𝙖𝙣地形人 (talk) 16:15, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

::The term ‘biological male’ is misleading in this context, as it implies a fixed and unchanging biology. Someone undergoing hormone therapy experiences significant biological changes, making their biology more female than male. A more accurate and neutral term would be ‘AMAB’ (assigned male at birth) 2A0C:5A84:7411:7D00:7C91:CE2C:7F92:C6E3 (talk) 05:53, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

::@Terrainman The image was uploaded by you and labeled as "Own work". If you created the image you should certainly know the identity of the individual depicted. While it is a medical context, it is still inappropriate to use the term "biological male". I propose avoiding mentioning the individual at all - instead, the label could be some manner of "Breast development induced by HRT". There is no need to reference the individual's gender or sex when all that matters is that the breasts were developed with HRT (The individual could be born female with an estrogen deficiency, for all we know). 476MHz (talk) 17:03, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

:::Terrainman is blocked and won't be able to respond. They also uploaded the postpartum picture below it. The HRT picture does say "transsexual" in its file name at Commons, which should be sufficient justification to use "trans woman", as has been done. Crossroads ^-talk- 20:31, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

What about the word PECS!? --IWantOmegleBack (talk) 18:38, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

--What about the word pec!? --IWantOmegleBack (talk) 18:38, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

:We generally don't put slang terms in articles. That's what Urban Dictionary is for. Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 22:39, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

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Current caption for the image referring to HRT:

"A transgender woman with HRT-induced developed breasts."

Proposed change:

"Fully developed breasts from feminizing hormone therapy"

Recently someone updated the caption of an image referring to a person undergoing feminizing HRT from "biological male" to "transgender woman." A lot of transgender people consider the term "biological male" to be insensitive and inaccurate, since transgender women undergoing medical transition share many biological similarities to cisgender women (in this example, breasts). The term is also frequently weaponized by anti-trans advocates.

However, referring to the subject of the photo as a transgender woman when their gender identity hasn't been explicitly confirmed may be inaccurate if the subject is non-binary or otherwise doesn't fully identify as a woman. Since the focus is on the breasts, not the subject themself, I think the best solution is to just state that they are breasts from feminizing hormone therapy. This also follows the style of captions used in other images in the article (eg. "postpartum breasts showing veins visible on surface" below it, not "a postpartum woman with breasts showing veins visible on the surface."). Kittenfan (talk) 13:13, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

:The file at Commons is titled [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Transsexual_HRT_induced_developed_breasts.jpg "Transsexual HRT induced developed breasts.jpg"], which should be sufficient justification for using "trans woman", I think. Crossroads ^-talk- 20:34, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

::The person who uploaded the photo at one point reverted a change[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Breast&oldid=1271765947] referring to the subject as a trans woman. Some non-binary people wish to change to a sex they feel more comfortable with, but still consider themselves transsexual since they are transitioning sexes. Since the person who titled it doesn't know if they're a trans woman, they most likely used the term "transsexual HRT" to mean "any HRT changing one's sex." Kittenfan (talk) 01:41, 30 March 2025 (UTC)