Talk:Brendan Smyth

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POV?

(Transferred from my talk page) - User:Ali-oops

Hello. It is POV to say that his actions were "egregious" (Wordnet: conspicuously and outrageously bad or reprehensible). Wikipedia is not here to judge what is "outrageously bad"; we present information in an npov way and try to not abuse adjectives. You can leave it up to the reader to judge whether his actions were "egregious" (and especially whether they were the most egregious). I'm not defending his actions, but if we present the facts, then readers should be able to judge for themselves that he was egregious without us preaching it to them. 24.224.153.40 00:15, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

In that case, rather than delete the sentence I'll change the disputed word to 'notorious' (Ref: ill-famed, having an exceedingly bad reputation). He was certainly that - Ali-oops ^✍ 08:36, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
This is one of the least neutral articles I've ever read. You don't start an article by saying "So-and-so (19XX-19YY) was a child molester"... doesn't matter who it is... you just don't. — CharlotteWebb 17:03, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
You do if he's a convicted child molestor, and his crimes are the only reason anyone would have heard of him.

I believe the description NOTORIOUS is quite appropriate. Bad Reputation is putting it mildly. The actions of this individual and the Order he belonged to deserve the recognition of such. I have uploaded my OWN picture I photographed as a 9 year old. I do not know how to link this page to the photograph but I am sure someone will find it. I need not say anymore___.Illumina29 04:43, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
oK...I will try this: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Father_Smyth1.jpg
my photo added, follow this link above Illumina29 05:17, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the pic! I've cropped and balanced it and added it to the article. Can you possibly add licensing? Thanks again - Alison ^✍ 07:10, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

I've made an attempt at tidy-up and de-POV. Comments? - Alison ^✍ 17:48, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

The jpeg looks good, thanks, I am using the GFDL license, I hope I got this right! Illumina29 01:32, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Durn it, do I need to upload this again? no. hmm, 'not sure! Illumina29 01:37, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I think I added the GFDL tag in the wrong place! I think I better wait a day to see if you can help me put it where it should be, sorry such a n00b! Illumina29 02:02, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Don't worry about it. You're doing great! I'll fix it - Alison ^✍ 03:08, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks so much for helping me with this, now this page has a proper association to the photo I took. I could not believe my diocese, after all these years and those who came forward, never knew what he looked like until I came forward (7th in my parish) and brought this image. Thanks so much again! Illumina29 16:36, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Falsehoods

The statement in the article that Smyth raped and sexually abused hundreds of boys between 1945 and 1989. seems clearly to be false. No reference at all is provided for this amazing statement, apart from vague reference to a book that has been accused of dishonesty. [http://www.alliancesupport.org/news/archives/002026.html Alliance Support] The only information I can find states that Smyth "abused and indecently assaulted" (not "raped") 20 children in that period. [http://www.irishnews.com/searchlog.asp?reason=denied_empty&script_name=/pageacc.asp&path_info=/pageacc.asp&tser1=ser&par=ben&sid=219807 Irish News]

I have replaced this information in the article. Xandar 23:13, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

This statement is inaccurate, only citing the Irish News, it does not account for the many victims of Brendan Smyth in the United States. When I came forward and reported to the Diocese of Providence in Rhode Island in 2006 I was informed by the Vicar General that I was the sixth victim to come forward. I later discover that another came forward one month later, making 7, and I located two more, making nine. Then there were a dozen or more in the Diocese of Fargo, North Dakota. So this writer is off on the numbers. 71.88.41.131 (talk) 14:43, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I updated the number to "an estimated 90 children" from today's Irish Independent. Bokononist (talk) 19:24, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Move request

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The result of the proposal was move per request. I have faith our Australian brothers and sisters would not disagree. WP:PRIME is an objective standard that is entirely neutral as to nationality.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:43, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

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Brendan Smyth (priest) → {{no redirect|1=Brendan Smyth}} – This person has caused a good deal of controversy, his activities have rocked the head of the Roman Catholic church in Ireland, he is the primary meaning. The Australian politician looks like a rather minor figure, the Australian Capital Territory is a pretty small territory, he should be dealt with by a hatnote. PatGallacher (talk) 20:13, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Support. The priest got [http://stats.grok.se/en/latest90/Brendan_Smyth_(priest) 10,000] page views in the last 90 days, the politician got [http://stats.grok.se/en/latest90/Brendan_Smyth_(politician) 700]. Kauffner (talk) 09:47, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Support. But Australian Wikipedians might disagree? Springnuts (talk) 10:47, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

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