Talk:Burj Al Arab#Requested move 4 June 2025

:The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 13:43, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

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:Burj Al Arab → {{no redirect|Jumeirah Burj Al Arab}} – Amendment of hotel name update across various platforms to align with the actual hotel name. Sources: [https://www.jumeirah.com/en/stay/dubai/burj-al-arab-jumeirah Jumeirah.com], [https://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g295424-d302457-Reviews-Jumeirah_Burj_Al_Arab-Dubai_Emirate_of_Dubai.html Trip Advisor], [https://www.booking.com/searchresults.html?aid=356980&label=gog235jc-1DCAsoAkIMYnVyai1hbC1hcmFiSDNYA2gCiAEBmAExuAEHyAEM2AED6AEB-AECiAIBqAIDuALPh4DCBsACAdICJDNjMjQ2MmM3LWYzMzMtNGY3MC1iM2E0LTU4YzZhMmNlYWRjMdgCBOACAQ&highlighted_hotels=73052&checkin=2025-08-07&redirected=1&city=-782831&hlrd=user_sh&source=hotel&checkout=2025-08-08&keep_landing=1&sid=56b4cb9fca3f7188882147e098502154 Booking.com], and [https://www.instagram.com/jumeirahburjalarab/?hl=en Instagram]. Please consider this change to align the information available on WP with other sources on the web. Shaun D'Rozario (talk) 08:31, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

:Support. Google and Google News searches for burj al arab show that recent sources mostly use the full name, including: [https://theweek.com/culture-life/travel/jumeirah-burj-al-arab-dubais-outrageous-peak-of-luxury The Week], [https://www.cntraveler.com/hotels/dubai/jumeirah-marsa-al-arab Condé Nast Traveler], [https://www.forbes.com/sites/katharinakotrba/2024/12/02/this-building-shocks-youdubais-jumeirah-burj-al-arab-turns-25/ Forbes], and [https://www.businesstraveller.com/tried-and-tested/restaurant-review-ristorante-lolivo-al-mahara-jumeirah-burj-al-arab/ Business Traveler]. Usage is not universal but this predominates, especially in more recent sources (I don't know when the name change occurred). --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 14:34, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

::Oppose given evidence of inconsistent inclusion of Jumeirah and, when used, inconsistent placement before or after the core name Burj Al Arab across multiple sources.--MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 13:22, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose, for the same reason {{user|Myceteae}} said: the sources. Yes, sources calling it "Jumeirah Burj Al Arab" exist, but also there are sources calling it "Burj Al Arab Jumeirah", including [https://guide.michelin.com/en/hotels-stays/dubai/burj-al-arab-jumeirah-6050?arr=2025-07-02&dep=2025-07-03&nA=1&nC=0&nR=1 the Michelin Guide], [https://www.cntraveler.com/hotels/dubai/burj-al-arab-jumeirah Condé Nast Traveler], [https://www.visitdubai.com/es/mice/venues/burj-al-arab-jumeirah Dubai's official tourism and marketing website], or [https://www.arabnews.com/node/2269041/sport Arab News]. Not to forgot the sources that still calling it "Burj Al Arab": [https://www.thenationalnews.com/travel/2024/08/07/burj-al-arab-hotel-review-dubai/ The National UAE], [https://edition.cnn.com/2024/08/19/travel/jumeirah-burj-al-arab-helipad-spc CNN], [https://www.timeoutdubai.com/news/tom-jones-in-dubai-gala-dinner Time Out], [https://www.gov.uk/government/news/burj-al-arab-supports-global-cause-to-end-sexual-violence-in-conflict Gov.uk], [https://www.esquireme.com/style/fashion/gucci-opens-pop-up-store-at-the-burj-al-arab Esquire], and a long etcetera. Since there is no prevalence of either name, the long-standing WP:Common name is to be kept as it is how the hotel is known outside the UAE. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 15:32, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
• :Has there been a name change and, if so, when was it? Most of your sources are old (mid 2024 or earlier) or not dated. The Arab News source is from March 2025 and does reflect the usage you stated. The Dubai tourism site you linked is in Spanish – [https://www.visitdubai.com/en/places-to-visit/burj-al-arab the English version] uses Jumeirah Burj Al Arab. If there was no official name change or if usage (in English) continues to be highly inconsistent, I agree we should leave it. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 16:17, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
• ::Assuming the change occured in mid-2024 (which, again, is irrelevant since we don't rename things because an entity wants to):
• ::* [https://www.hospitalitynet.org/news/4073936.html Hospitality.net] (January 2016): "A masterpiece of innovation - another first for the world's most luxurious hotel Burj Al Arab Jumeirah, and
• ::* [https://robbreport.com/travel/destinations/worlds-most-luxurious-hotel-unveils-pool-complex-no-other-244486/ Robb Report] (June 2016): "Anthony McHale, General Manager, Burj Al Arab Jumeirah, commented", and
• ::* [https://www.timeoutdubai.com/hotel/burj-al-arab-jumeirah Time Out] (July 2021): "Burj Al Arab Jumeirah", and
• ::* [https://www.arabnews.com/node/2269041/sport Arab News] (March 2023): "World first: Pilot lands plane on Burj Al Arab Jumeirah" and "Luke Czepiela has spent his life pushing his limits in aviation, and at 6:58 a.m. on March 14, he became the first person in history to land a plane on the helipad atop the iconic Burj Al Arab Jumeirah in Dubai."
• ::* These sources indicates that "Jumeirah" was not added to the name in 2024, but earlier. At which point of 2024 they decided to change the order is unknown, but this shows that sources were already using "Burj Al Arab Jumeirah" as well and we didn't have to move the page then.
• ::Post-2023 sources include
• ::* [https://www.prweek.co.uk/article/1869836/burj-al-arab-jumeirah-hires-travel-pr-agency PRWeek] (November 2024): "Burj Al Arab Jumeirah hires travel PR agency"
• ::* [https://guide.michelin.com/en/hotels-stays/dubai/burj-al-arab-jumeirah-6050?arr=2025-07-02&dep=2025-07-03&nA=1&nC=0&nR=1 Michelin Guide] (unknown): Throughout the page they call it "Burj Al Arab", so it is likely this is the original review. Yet, the hotel name is "Burj Al Arab Jumeirah"
• ::* [https://www.timeoutdubai.com/food-drink/souk-madinat-jumeirah-guide Time Out] (March 2025): "Well-established and situated in the heart of Souk Madinat Jumeirah, expect a selection of reasonably priced local dishes with a front-row view of Burj Al Arab Jumeirah."
• ::* [https://www.thenationalnews.com/travel/2024/12/01/dubai-burj-al-arab-helipad/ The National] (December 2024): "Twenty five years of sky-high thrills: 10 memorable moments from Dubai's Burj Al Arab helipad" (there is one use of "Jumeirah Burj Al Arab", then the article uses Burj Al Arab throughout.
• ::* [https://www.prnewswire.com/ae/news-releases/dhamani-group-hosts-prestigious-annual-suhoor-at-burj-al-arab-302404309.html PR Newswire] (March 2025): "Dhamani Group Hosts Prestigious Annual Suhoor at Burj Al Arab"
• ::* [https://edition.cnn.com/2024/08/19/travel/jumeirah-burj-al-arab-helipad-spc CNN] (August 2024): "‘World’s most famous’ helipad on Burj al Arab turns 25"
• ::* [https://www.khaleejtimes.com/sports/dubai-20-years-ago-federer-and-agassi-played-a-famous-match-on-burj-al-arab-helipad Khaleej Times] (February 2025): "Dubai: 20 years ago, Federer and Agassi played a famous match on Burj Al Arab helipad"
• ::* [https://www.independent.co.uk/bulletin/culture/hans-zimmer-documentary-vertigo-dubai-b2720006.html The Independent] (March 2025): "Renowned composer Hans Zimmer overcame his vertigo to perform on the helipad of the Burj Al Arab hotel in Dubai"
• ::* [https://www.hindustantimes.com/sports/others/bkfc-arrives-in-dubai-world-title-fights-global-stars-and-new-era-for-combat-sports-101743687592923.html Hindustan Times] (April 2025): "BKFC arrives in Dubai: World Title fights, global stars, and new era for combat sports"
• ::If sources are not going to use a name consistently, there is no reason to use a name that can potentially be changed again by its owner. This is why the WP:Article title policy exists. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 18:25, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
• :::Adding to this thread, when asking AI about the rebrand, it says the rebrand was launched in May 2024, which aligns with the changes in usage seen across most publications from that date forward.
• :::Just a thought, the name change, while not absolutely necessary, would still include the old name. i.e. "Jumeirah Burj Al Arab".
• :::To add to this, looking at google trends for both variations, the trends for the new name appear to be picking up since mid-last-year.
• :::That being said, the name change would make sense now for current searches for both names, as well as for futureproofing the article.
• :::Let me know your thoughts. 2001:8F8:2D1A:F447:C068:73FF:FE2E:5E9 (talk) 12:28, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
• ::::Typically we would need better evidence of an official name change, such as [https://press.wbd.com/na/media-release/max/warner-bros-discovery-announces-max-become-hbo-max-summer a press release] or [https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/14/business/media/hbo-max-streaming-name.html outside coverage]. An AI summary doesn't cut it. Tbhotch is of course correct that we do not automatically adopt official names as article titles. However, in the case of name changes, when performing a common name analysis, we give more weight to sources published after the official change to show whether sources are adopting the new name. Common name still takes precedent and the evidence here shows Jumeirah is used inconsistently. We already have a redirect in place from Jumeirah Burj Al Arab which aids in searching. It's not clear that usage patterns are even trending in the direction of using Jumeirah consistently but if there is a change in the future, we can reconsider then. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 13:42, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose. Very clear WP:COMMONNAME. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:57, 11 June 2025 (UTC)