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FWIW a heads up on a recently closed RFC, which may effect the naming of this and related pages. GoodDay (talk) 15:48, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

:(copied from my other comment for visibility) As the RfC closer, I can confirm that the close applies only to pages related to the NFL draft and has no impact on other leagues or sports. There was some discussion of them at the RfC, but was unrelated to the RfC question or the consensus reached. Anyone trying to use it to bypass discussion on other articles is not interpreting the close correctly. The WordsmithTalk to me 17:16, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 27 March 2024

:The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. – robertsky (talk) 11:15, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

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– Commonly lowercase in sources, like other leagues' drafts. Dicklyon (talk) 04:11, 27 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 (talk) 01:04, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

  • Data are scarce, but [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=CFL+Draft%2CCFL+draft&year_start=1965&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3 lowercase draft dominates]. Dicklyon (talk) 08:47, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
  • :Ngrams without any meaningful context, especially for words that are often used in every day language, are not useful for discussions such as these, there's far too much noise to the data. Especially when usage such as "draft picks" would be lowercased. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:21, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
  • ::Neither "CFL draft pick" nor "CFL draft picks" shows any ngrams data,[https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=CFL+Draft%2CCFL+draft%2CCFL+draft+pick%2CCFL+draft+picks&year_start=1965&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3] so the concern about "CFL draft" being comingled with other terms is unsupported. —Bagumba (talk) 07:45, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
  • : "lowercase dominates" – er, not really, not even close. Looking at all the first google results, each of which are uppercase unless noted:
  • : College football teams, such as [https://bsubeavers.com/news/2024/3/26/football-duncan-busby-competes-at-cfl-combine-to-gear-up-for-cfl-draft-april-30.aspx BSU], [https://goholycross.com/news/2023/5/3/football-adam-guillemette-selected-by-toronto-argonauts-in-cfl-draft.aspx Holy Cross], [https://gobulldogs.com/news/2023/5/2/football-bull-selected-no-1-overall-in-cfl-draft Fresno State]
  • : [https://calgaryherald.com/sports/football/cfl/calgary-stampeders/calgary-stampeders-gm-dave-dickenson-talent-cfl-draft Calgary Herald]
  • : [https://www.si.com/cfl/fannation/news/cfl-releases-2024-scouting-bureau-winter-draft-rankings Sports Illustrated]
  • : [https://3downnation.com/2023/05/02/analyzing-every-pick-in-the-2023-cfl-draft/ 3DownNation] (one of the most prominent CFL-specific publications)
  • : [https://www.sportsnet.ca/cfl/article/cfl-draft-preview-top-prospects-all-will-get-nfl-looks/ Sportsnet]
  • : [https://www.sportingnews.com/ca/cfl/news/cfl-draft-2020-draft-grades-for-all-nine-teams/r3qvdol6nhry1652yrvtn8k8i Sporting News]
  • : [https://leaderpost.com/sports/football/cfl/saskatchewan-roughriders/a-look-at-riders-recent-cfl-draft-history The Leader-Post]
  • : [https://www.footballdb.com/draft/draft.html?lg=CFL&yr=2022&rnd=1 The Football Database]
  • : [https://calgarysun.com/sports/football/cfl/calgary-stampeders/stampeders-poised-to-navigate-tricky-cfl-draft Calgary Sun]
  • : [https://globalnews.ca/news/8806023/hamilton-tiger-cats-australian-punters-cfl-global-draft/ Global News]
  • : [https://www.cbc.ca/sports/football/cfl/cfl-draft-preview-may-1-1.6828741 CBC] (finally, one that's lowercase)
  • : [https://www.americanfootballinternational.com/how-to-track-the-2023-cfl-draft/ American Football International]
  • : [https://theprovince.com/sports/football/cfl/bc-lions/cfl-draft-b-c-lions-add-another-domestic-to-their-canadian-flavoured-defensive-line The Province]
  • : [https://www.queensjournal.ca/cfl-draft-selects-five-queens-gaels/ The Queen's Journal]
  • : That's not even close to "lowercase dominates". BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:59, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
  • : You [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Canadian_college_drafts_(1956%E2%80%931969)&action=history already started with some of the moves?] How many times...? BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:22, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
  • ::No, I haven't moved any yet (I earlier downcased the plural Canadian College Drafts (1956–1969), and now that's been reverted for who knows what reason). For sources, books are more reliable, and more independent, typically, than random web pages. See [https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&sca_esv=607135a9cfeed7f2&sxsrf=ACQVn0_QZWWjgF55wuY8KaaIFgYh8EubsA:1711664269332&q=%22CFL+Draft%22&tbm=bks&source=lnms&prmd=nivsbmtz&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwie6v2l_peFAxWnJNAFHYLoCd0Q0pQJegQIWxAB&biw=1152&bih=628&dpr=3 lots of lowercase in books]. See [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=CFL+Draft&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3&case_insensitive=true summary stats]. Dicklyon (talk) 22:20, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
  • ::: Hm? You seemed to think that websites were important when it was the USFL, when the numbers were more in your favor, now not? And these aren't "random websites", either, these are some of the most reliable sources when it comes to this topic (Calgary Herald, Sportsnet, Sporting News, Leader Post, Calgary Sun - all very prominent publications on the topic); conversely, I don't think random books are better than that (especially since we don't know how reliable all of them are, whether they're written by knowledgable people, etc.). Also, the Canadian College Draft is absolutely relevant to the CFL Draft (its direct predecessor); you know better than to lowercase sports draft articles without discussion... BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:31, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
  • ::::The only place I pointed to news was in the 2022/2023 case, where there are no book stats. The CFL Draft is old enough to have fair representation in books. Dicklyon (talk) 04:31, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
  • :Some news sources use lowercase draft, too:
  • :: [https://winnipegsun.com/sports/blue-bombers-strengthen-defensive-line-in-cfl-draft Winnipeg Sun]
  • :: [https://lethbridgenewsnow.com/2023/05/02/ottawa-redblacks-select-ol-dontae-bull-first-overall-in-cfl-draft/ LethbridgeNews Now]
  • :: [https://www.timescolonist.com/sports/island-linemen-bull-grohovac-set-to-hear-names-called-in-cfl-draft-6937577 Times Colonist]
  • :: [https://globalnews.ca/news/9810855/elks-trade-linebacker-cfl-redblacks/ Global News/The Canadian Press]
  • :: [https://leaderpost.com/sports/rams-bennett-cfl-draft Regina Leader-Post]
  • :: [https://www.saanichnews.com/sports/langford-grad-dontae-bull-picked-first-overall-in-cfl-draft-328935 Saanich News]
  • :: [https://www.saltwire.com/atlantic-canada/sports/five-from-saint-marys-huskies-selected-in-tuesdays-cfl-draft-100849895/ SaltWire]
  • :: [https://www.si.com/college/pittsburgh/football/pitt-panthers-saskatchewan-roughriders-habakkuk-baldonado-cfl-draft SI.com]
  • :: [https://thestarphoenix.com/sports/huskies-black-goes-in-the-first-round-of-the-cfl-draft-four-u-of-s-players-picked-in-total Saskatoon StarPhoenix]
  • :: [https://www.timescolonist.com/sports/victoria-lineman-dontae-bull-selected-first-overall-in-cfl-draft-6943620 Times Colonist]
  • :: [https://www.meathchronicle.ie/2024/02/28/punter-convert-accepts-cfl-draft-offer/ Meath Chronicle]
  • :: [https://3downnation.com/2021/05/03/2021-cfl-draft-position-rankings-defensive-back/ 3DownNation]
  • :: [https://www.tsn.ca/cfl/nathaniel-dumoulin-duguay-carries-army-experience-into-football-with-sights-set-on-cfl-draft-1.2094663 TSN]
  • :: So clearly not "consistently capitalized" in sources. Dicklyon (talk) 08:37, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
  • ::: And then there's also in the uppercase camp:
  • :::: [https://ottawasun.com/sports/football/cfl/ottawa-redblacks/look-and-listen-with-first-pick-in-cfl-draft-redblacks-get-up-close-look-at-top-prospects Ottawa Sun]
  • :::: [https://huskies.usask.ca/news/2022/5/4/football-cherry-zerr-pickett-all-selected.aspx U Sports teams]
  • :::: [https://usports.ca/en/sports/football/m/news/2021/05/1631733324/2021-cfl-draft U Sports itself]
  • :::: [https://www.620ckrm.com/2023/04/18/311900/ CKRM]
  • :::: [https://cflnewshub.com/cfl-news/analyzing-the-hamilton-tiger-cats-2023-cfl-draft/ CFL News Hub]
  • :::: [https://www.thewhig.com/sports/local-sports/hes-nasty-gananoques-pelehos-heading-to-redblacks-as-no-2-pick-in-cfl-draft Kingston Whig-Herald]
  • :::: [https://ubyssey.ca/sports/cfl-virtual-draft/ The Ubyssey]
  • :::: [https://kmph.com/sports/content/dontae-bull-selected-no-1-overall-in-cfl-draft-following-season-ending-injury KMPH Fox News] and [https://www.khon2.com/sports/former-uh-standouts-taala-pavihi-taken-in-cfl-global-draft/ other] [https://www.yourcentralvalley.com/bulldog-sports/dontae-bull-is-no-1-overall-pick-in-cfl-draft/ local] [https://wset.com/sports/college-sports/uvas-terrell-jana-selected-in-cfl-draft-by-saskatchewan stations]
  • :::: [https://pittsburghsportsnow.com/2023/05/03/former-pitt-wr-jared-wayne-taken-in-cfl-draft-by-toronto-argonauts/ Pittsburgh Sports Now]
  • :::: [https://northernstar.info/106943/sports/cole-tucker-drafted-4th-overall-in-cfl/ Northern Star]
  • :::: [https://westerngazette.ca/sports/football/4-mustangs-selected-in-the-2023-cfl-draft/article_5727c43c-ea88-11ed-94d0-37c4b39e8cbd.html Western Gazette]
  • :::: [https://regina.ctvnews.ca/someone-we-ve-had-our-eyes-on-for-awhile-now-riders-select-lake-korte-moore-in-first-round-of-cfl-draft-1.6381963 CTV News]
  • :::: [https://kslsports.com/485454/former-utah-all-american-tom-hackett-ol-bam-olaseni-selected-in-cfl-draft/ KSL Sports]
  • :::: [https://www.sherbrookerecord.com/bishops-gaiters-jake-kelly-selected-15th-overall-in-cfl-draft/ Sherbrooke Record]
  • :::: [https://barrhavenindependent.ca/2023/05/28/two-barrhaven-players-selected-in-cfl-draft/ Barrhaven Independent]
  • :::: [https://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/i-feel-ready-three-guelph-gryphons-drafted-to-cfl-1.6383063 CTV News Kitchener]
  • :::: [https://247sports.com/college/virginia/Article/CFL-Draft-2020-UVA-football-Dejon-Brissett-selected-No-2-overall-first-round-146682598/ 247Sports]
  • :::: [https://www.providencejournal.com/story/sports/college/2022/05/04/bryant-football-daniel-adeboboye-cfl-toronto-argonauts/9642328002/ Providence Journal]
  • :::: [https://www.thewetumpkaherald.com/sports/former-edgewood-star-nathan-rourke-taken-in-cfl-draft/article_d9099244-8fb6-11ea-a839-ffa05be3c45c.html Wetumpka Herald]
  • :::: [https://www.bemidjipioneer.com/sports/football-bemidji-states-shae-weekes-selected-in-cfl-draft Bemidji Pioneer]
  • :::: [https://ncstate.rivals.com/news/b-c-lions-swung-for-the-fences-with-daniel-joseph-pick-in-cfl-draft Rivals.com]
  • :::: [https://www.patspulpit.com/2021/5/5/22420580/former-patriots-tight-end-jake-burt-first-overall-pick-2021-cfl-draft SB Nation]
  • :::: A good majority of sources appear to be uppercase. Also, it seems the Leader Post, SI and 3DownNation usually use uppercase, although there are a few with downcasing. [https://www.tsn.ca/cfl/2023-cfl-draft-barker-s-top-5-prospects-at-each-position-1.1952787 TSN] and [https://globalnews.ca/news/9670113/western-mustangs-2023-cfl-draft/ Global] have some uppercase also. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:16, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
  • Comment - My goodness, this RM needs more input. GoodDay (talk) 22:06, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
  • Support – With no evidence of near-unanimous capitalization, WP:LOWERCASE clearly says "don't use capitalization unnecessarily". —Joeyconnick (talk) 16:16, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
  • Where does it say the requirement is "near-unanimous capitalization"? I don't think using what the league, all relevant teams and a good majority of sources say is using "capitalization unnecessarily". BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:18, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
  • Support: We've gone through this sort of thing many times before for similar topics. Sources are mixed; let's use lowercase. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 02:13, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
  • Support Not capitalized in a {{tq|substantial majority of independent, reliable source|q=yes}} per MOS:CAPS. The guideline also says: {{tq|Wikipedia avoids unnecessary capitalization|q=yes}}. Collins defines proper noun as {{tq|a noun...that is arbitrarily used to denote a particular person, place, or thing without regard to any descriptive meaning the word or phrase may have, as Lincoln, Beth, Pittsburgh|q=yes}}[https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/proper-noun] A reader seeing CFL Draft does not attach a different meaning to it than when they see CFL draft. It's purely a description in basic English, not any sort of proper noun like Grey Cup (vs a plain grey cup) or White House (vs white house). Capitalization is not necessary for a reader to understand the meaning here.—Bagumba (talk) 16:39, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
  • Support. Per Bagumba and prior discussions. JoelleJay (talk) 16:51, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

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