Talk:COVID-19 pandemic#RFC on current consensus #18

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|text = Want to add new information about COVID-19? Most often, it should not go here.
Please consider choosing the most appropriate article, for example:

Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (the virus that causes COVID-19)
Coronavirus disease 2019 (the disease caused by the virus)
One of the country-specific articles on the pandemic
One of the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic articles

... or dozens of other places, as listed in {{tl|COVID-19 pandemic}}. Thanks!

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RM, 2019–20 outbreak of novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) → 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak, Moved, 16 January 2020 (permalink)
RM, 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak → 2019–20 novel coronavirus outbreak, No consensus, 2 February 2020 (permalink)
RM, 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak → 2019–20 novel coronavirus outbreak, Speedy close, 9 February 2020, (permalink)
RM, 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak → 2019 Novel Coronavirus Outbreak, Speedy close, 11 February 2020, (permalink)
RM, 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak → COVID-19 outbreak, Speedy close, no viable consensus and without prejudice, 11 February 2020, (permalink)
RM, 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak → 2019-20 coronavirus epidemic, Speedy closed. Too soon and snowing., 13 February 2020, (permalink)
MRV, 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak → COVID-19 outbreak, Endorsed, 13 February 2020, (permalink)
RM, 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak → 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak, Moved, 18 February 2020, (permalink)
RM, 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak → Coronavirus disease outbreak, Speedy close without prejudice to renomination, 3 March 2020, (permalink)
RM, 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak → 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic, Moved, 11 March 2020 (permalink)
RM, 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic → Coronavirus pandemic, Closed, 15 March 2020 (permalink)
RM, 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic → 2019-2020 COVID-19 pandemic, Closed, 15 March 2020 (permalink)
RM, 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic → Wuhan Chinese Coronavirus Pandemic, Closed, 15 March 2020 (permalink)
RM, 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak → 2019-20 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) outbreak in China, Closed, 15 March 2020 (Talk:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic/Archive 1#Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) outbreak in China)
RM, 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak → novel-coronavirus-2019 outbreak, Closed, 15 March 2020 (permalink)
RM, 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak → 2019-2020 2019 nCoV coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan, Closed, 15 March 2020 (permalink)
RM, 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak → Coronavirus outbreak, Closed, 15 March 2020 (permalink)
RM, 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic → 2019–20 coronavirus disease pandemic, Closed, 15 March 2020 (permalink)
RM, 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic → 2019-20 Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 pandemic, Closed, 15 March 2020 (permalink)
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Proposal: Move moratorium, 30-day moratorium, 26 March 2020 (permalink)
RM, 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic → COVID-19 pandemic, Moved, 4 May 2020 (permalink)
RM, COVID-19 pandemic → Coronavirus pandemic, Not moved, 25 August 2020 (permalink)

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|subject2=article|author2=Stephen Harrison|title2=The Coronavirus Is Stress-Testing Wikipedia’s Policies|org2=Slate|url2=https://slate.com/technology/2020/03/coronavirus-wikipedia-policies.html|date2=March 19, 2020|quote2=At press time, more than 2,100 editors have contributed to the pandemic’s main Wikipedia article.|accessdate2=March 19, 2020

|subject3=article|author3=Laurence Dodds|title3=Why Wikipedia is winning against the coronavirus 'infodemic'|org3=The Daily Telegraph|url3=https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/04/03/wikipedia-winning-against-coronavirus-infodemic/|quote3=Against all odds, Wikipedia's eccentric volunteer editors are holding back the tide of coronavirus misinformation|accessdate3=April 6, 2020|date3=April 3, 2020

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|subject6=article|author6=Farah Qaiser|title6=Like Zika, The Public Is Heading To Wikipedia During The COVID-19 Coronavirus Pandemic|org6=Forbes|url6=https://www.forbes.com/sites/farahqaiser/2020/03/18/like-zika-the-public-is-heading-to-wikipedia-during-the-covid-19-coronavirus-pandemic|accessdate6=June 21, 2020|date6=March 18, 2020

|subject7=article|author7=Shaan Sachdev|title7=Wikipedia's Sprawling, Awe-Inspiring Coverage of the Pandemic|org7=The New Republic|url7=https://newrepublic.com/article/161486/wikipedia-coverage-pandemic-covid|date7=February 26, 2021|quote7=The Wikipedia article for the Covid-19 pandemic didn't exist until January 2020. By June, it was one of the site's most visited entries of all time. It became, according to Wikipedia's project page of article rankings, 'the biggest phenomenon Wikipedia has ever known.'

|author8=Jackson Ryan|title8=Inside Wikipedia's endless war over the coronavirus lab leak theory|org8=CNET|url8=https://www.cnet.com/features/inside-wikipedias-endless-war-over-the-coronavirus-lab-leak-theory/|date8=June 24, 2021|quote8=In recent weeks, increasing press coverage from the likes of The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post has seen the lab leak hypothesis endlessly debated on social media, talk radio and primetime TV. It's become unavoidable. Unless you visit Wikipedia's COVID-19 pandemic page. The words 'lab leak' aren't mentioned anywhere.

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==Current consensus==

COVID-19 pandemic will never end because there is no criteria for ending a pandemic

Consider the fact COVID-19 is a type of common cold caused by a specific type of virus, in this case SARS coronavirus type 2. As long as this virus circulates in human populations, the pandemic will therefore continue indefinitely. In fact, the first documented pandemic in human history, the flu of 1918 which was later determined to be H1N1 still continues this day after well over 100 years. Therefore, it makes sense no pandemic will never end because there is no criteria for ending a pandemic.

Source: https://www.history.com/articles/1918-flu-pandemic-never-ended

66.22.167.30 (talk) 19:40, 1 May 2025 (UTC)

:Leaving aside the dumb 'common cold' comment, that is a rubbish source. See Spanish flu for some decent sourcing putting the end of that pandemic in April 1920. Bon courage (talk) 19:49, 1 May 2025 (UTC)

:Generally speaking, a pandemic ends when the definition no longer applies, in which the effects can still last forever. 9March2019 (talk) 02:32, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

::The article lede already does a good job highlighting the difference between the WHO downgrade from a PHEIC and the true end of a pandemic - what about the article are you suggesting should be changed? Epsilon.Prota (talk) 05:04, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

Archiving

It looks like some editors have been manually archiving discussions, rather than leaving them on the page for the bot to do it for 60 days (minimum 5 threads left). Is this happening because the bot settings are wrong?

NB I'm not talking about reverting off-topic comments. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:COVID-19_pandemic/Archive_49&action=history Every edit to /Archive 49] has been made manually by @Crossroads or User:Ozzie10aaaa. ClueBot hasn't been allowed to archive discussions from this talk page for over two years now. WhatamIdoing (talk) 05:22, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

:WAID, actually I have just archived because after a few months without further discussion it seems as though theres no point to leaving it (in contrast to say-Diabetes which is a constant topic, the pandemic is historical)...IMO--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 11:59, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

::You're not waiting "a few months". The discussion you archived most recently was two weeks old. The one before that was 6 weeks old. The one before that was 5 weeks old.

::Do we want to have a mostly empty talk page? WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:25, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

:::ok, I'll let the bot do it(BTW the 2 week one was a 'denied request' just to be clear[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:COVID-19_pandemic&diff=prev&oldid=1293151982])....and @Crossroads?--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 17:56, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

::::What settings do we want the bot to have? For example, if we want a mostly empty talk page, then it shouldn't retain a minimum of 5 threads on the page (the current setting). If we want potential posters to see that ____ has already been suggested and rejected, then we should keep more threads on the page. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:33, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::WAID, I think 5 is ok(BTW I do see a trend of 'repetition' ...like the above posting...if you check the archive[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:COVID-19_pandemic/Archive_49], not all but several either touch on tense change or when does the pandemic end) --Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 01:29, 6 June 2025 (UTC)