Talk:Caisson (Asian architecture)

• Merge Since the term Caisson is not used in Western architecture in the way it is used in this article, it seems like this material would fit better in the article Coffer which currently lacks much information now but is the right term. This article would help the article on coffer out by beefing it up, plus it would change the title of this article to the correct architectural term. --Mattisse 13:26, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

: This article is about Caissons in Asian architecture. An Asian caisson is structurally different from a classical coffer. Please do not try to change the topic. The Zaojing issue needs to be resolved first. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 13:32, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

::Please see last several entries on your talk page. Cheers. --Mattisse 14:04, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

I would like to close this discussion as a no consensus. Nobody else is even interested and there is no prospect of consensus being reached between Mattisse and myself. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 00:12, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Mattisse, you are not only re-introducing contested edits, but making clearly irrelevant edits.

If you still wish to participate, please re-engage in this discussion. If you feel informal mediation did not work (as apparently you do), please agree to formal mediation. A link has been provided on this page, and I have also notified you on your talk page - although I notice you subsequently deleted it.

Your choices are clear: either discuss (by agreeing to mediation or otherwise), or leave the page alone. Quitting discussion, then introducing the very edits subject of the discussion is violating the principle of consensus. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 01:27, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, this is certainly going to teach me to check out all relevant talk pages before I do something, but despite my aversion to conflict, I stand by my actions. I've redirected Zaojing (Chinese) and Zaojing (traditional Chinese architecture) here as the seem to both be duplicates of this article. I don't want to step into an edit war, but do we really need three articles essentially saying the same thing? If it is really that important in maintaining the "right version" that you feel you must create duplicate articles, may I recommend doing so as a subpage in your userspace? AniMate 09:22, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Will arbitration be necessary now that the mediations were both rejected? There isn't much editing going on with the article now, so I don't know. Let's make a quick survey here of what people think. - Cyborg Ninja 05:08, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

: There doesn't seem to be an active issue here. Mattisse has not been editing here since the last episode, and I won't be continuing with the issues list for at least another week. Let's wait and see. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 03:06, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

As someone insists on returning the link to the disambig page, please fix it so it does not go to a redirect. The only choice on the disambig page that fits the definition in the article is a redirect back to the article. Please fix. Mattisse 00:28, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

: It doesn't go to a redirect Mattisse, it goes to the Caisson dab. I don't know why it redirects back to the article for you. For me it works perfectly and goes to the dab page as intended. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 00:31, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

::This is called a disambig page. For your benefit I have copied it below. It is not correct to link to a disambig page. Copy of page follows:

Caisson may refer to:

• "Caisson", a pen-name of Edward Sperling

• Caisson (engineering), a sealed underwater structure
• Caisson disease, decompression sickness, named for the structure
• Caisson lock, a type of canal lock in which a narrowboat is enclosed in a sealed box and raised or lowered between two water levels
• Caisson (water transport), the water-filled trough used to transport boats on a boat lift or canal inclined plane
• Caisson, a construction method of foundation on land
• Caisson (military), a carrier of artillery ammunition, also used for coffin transport in funerals
• Caisson (Asian architecture), (uncommon variant of coffer) a decoractive sunken ceiling structure in Roman, Renaissance, especially religious architecture, Chinese and East Asian architecture

Also see

• Homophone: "Kazon", an alien race in the fictional Star Trek universe

{{:disambig}}

End of disambig page Mattisse 00:38, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

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What's the problem of linking to the dab? It is supposed to illustrate the other meanings of the word "Caisson", especially because no article or appropriate redirect currently exists for Caisson (architecture). What could possibly be your rationale of linking to Caisson (engineering)? --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 00:45, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

:Haven't you noticed all the editors and bots that spend all their time going around fixing links that go to disambig pages? It is considered a fault if a link goes to a disambig page. If a link goes to one, then that link should be fixed to go to one of the choices on the disambig page and not the disambig page itself. That is considered by wikipedia to be rude to the reader. If you want to explain the meanings of caisson relevant to the article, explain it in the article. Mattisse 01:08, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

: Err, I don't think wikipedia considers it to be "rude to the reader". The bots fix dab links that should go to a specific page. In this instance, it should not: it was intended to go to the dab page all along.

: In the spirit of compromise, how about just remove the links altogether? The dab page is linked to from the top of the page already. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 01:10, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

::That is fine with me. Originally I did remove them but someone replaced them. Think of a French reader, for example, seeing the link and clicking on it to find out what "Caisson" means and then being faced with those choices! And actually, that disambig page needs a clean up, as there are not supposed to be other links on the page, unrelated to the disambig. Rome, for example, should not have a link according to the disambig page standards. Mattisse 01:14, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

:::See Wikipedia:WikiProject Disambiguation Mattisse 01:17, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

::::See also Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages) Mattisse 01:21, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

: Have removed the links and cleaned up dab pages, separating the structurally distinct "coffer" from Asian caissons, and removed secondary links in entires. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 01:40, 3 February 2008 (UTC)