Talk:Capsule toy#Requested move 20 June 2025

{{requested move/dated|Capsule toy vending machine}}

:Capsule toy → {{no redirect|Capsule toy vending machine}} – The current name of this article is very misleading, suggesting it is about the toys sold by this type of the vending machine. Instead, the article is clearly about the vending machines themselves. The article should be renamed accordingly. I am unsure if capsule toy should have its own article one day. For now it can safely redirect to the "capsule toy vending machine" article (note: it did not exist, I just created it now as a temporary redirect here). Side note: there is also confusion about how this topic is different from Gashapon, which on en and ja has a stand-alone article. But most interwikis here - i.e. to capsule toy (vending machine) article are known as gashapons in other languages. Compare: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q11294641 vs https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1204526 . From what I can tell, Gashapon is a specific brand name of a capsule vending machine. I am unsure if any merge is needed (leaning no), but I wanted to mention this before someone suggests renaming this article here to Gashapon. Interwikis at wikidata might merit some cleanup too, sigh;in fact the Wikidata article is about the capsule toy (not capsule toy vending machine), although most of the interwiki'd articles, like ours, are about the vending machine. A mess. PS. What needs to be done: Wikidata needs a page about capsule toy vending machines, pretty much all interwikis from Q11294641 need to be switched to that page (it can be an intentional sitelink to redirect to our capsule toy redirect). I'll do it later this year if nobody jumps on this first. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:23, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

• Comment {{ping|Piotrus}} This may merit a merge into Gashapon or vice-versa. If it is merged into the other page, a move may not be necessary. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 03:49, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
• :@Zxcvbnm True, but I don't have time right now to look into whether those topics have separate stand-alone notability on Wikipedia (on Wikidata, that's easy, they need three pages - their inclusion criteria is just proof of existence :P). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:27, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
• ::{{ping|Piotrus}} The problem is that even if Gashapon was about a specific brand of vending machine, the article itself is about capsule toy machines in general and has been since its creation. As the Gashapon article was created much earlier, I'd probably merge capsule toy to it, therefore oppose this move for procedural reasons. I would then move the Gashapon article to Capsule toy vending machine instead, an alternate move. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:49, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
• :::@Zxcvbnm Well, that article in the lead states that is about a specific brand machines, but likely we would need to verify each reference and see what it refers too. A lot of the content is not very clear, and the Gashapon#Video_games section seems mostly off topic, sigh. If someone would want to merge this, I wouldn't object; I think the difference between capsule toy vending machines and gashapons is small - the latter likely would merit just a subsection. But I'd suggest merge the other way, or at least, use the "Capsule toy vending machine" name, per WP:USEENGLISH. I don't think "gashapons" is much more common, nor is it undestandable to most folks outside those who know about J-culture. GS gives gashapon 5:1 popularity, but it's just 250:50. Here, I'd prefer to use a descriptive term that folks can understand. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:50, 21 June 2025 (UTC)