Talk:Casals Forum

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Currency signs and other abbriviations

My currency change from "€36 million" and "c. €60M" to "36 million €" and "60 million €" was reverted. As stated in Euro sign currency sign are placed in Europe, and especially in Germany after the value. As this is a European / German topic, I follow the german rules. @Gerda Arendt @DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered: What is your opinion?

Additional question: Why is one time "million" used and one tim "M"? And what does the "c." means in "c. €60M"? In the german Wikipedia we have the rule: don't use abbreviations which are not common. For me, it is not common. --GodeNehler (talk) 06:08, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

:Thank you very much for coming here to discuss it!

:On the placement of the sign, the article you mention, Euro sign, does say a number of things including, in its lead, {{tq|In English, the sign immediately precedes the value (for instance, €10); in most other European languages [otherwise]}} and in its body, at Euro sign#Use the same point is made at greater length. There's also a nice table at Language and the euro which lists which countries are big-endian and which little! Finally, if you google this exact issue you will find many articles affirming that English says €600 and not 600 €. Since we are writing here in English we follow the conventions of English. Similarly, I would not expect you, in a German Wikipedia article mentioning the cost of something in England/wherever, to abide by English usage, because you would be writing in German for a German audience and you should be getting it right for them. So here I think we need English usage no matter the topic.

:On the millions, MOS:MILLION says {{tq|M (unspaced, capitalized) or bn (unspaced), respectively, may be used for "million" or "billion" after a number, when the word has been spelled out at the first occurrence}} which is what happened here. I think it looks tidier to go for the shortened version once we have explained what we mean, but if you are finding it very offensive and difficult to read please feel free to return it to the spelt-out version. This is not a hill upon which I am prepared to die!

:Neither, while I am at it, is {{tq|c.}}, a very commonly used abbreviation for Circa, {{tq|a word of Latin origin meaning 'approximately'}}. As far as I recall this usage was installed by Gerda in the first iteration so maybe she has a view too. I see that {{U|Grimes2}} has helpfully popped in a "Circa" template, which does make an instant expansion available, but of course it could easily be changed to "approximately" or, perhaps better, "about" if you felt that it was clearer.

:Best wishes and many thanks, DBaK (talk) 13:37, 2 October 2022 (UTC)