Talk:Chinatichampsus

The describing authors state: "Champsus, Greek for crocodile."

As there is no word like champsus in (ancient) Greek, the etymological explanation of Stocker, Brochu and Kirk can be considered as incorrect and currently our readers are also mislead into thinking that champsus would be an actual word in Greek. I have tried to amend this by [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chinatichampsus&diff=prev&oldid=1283310574 adding] the correct form from Liddell and Scott's Greek dictionary (besides mentioning the "opinion" of Stocker et al.), but The Morrison Man seems to disagree. Please notice that Stocker et al. are not well-known experts on the specific meanings of certain Greek words. In another paper, Brochu (2006) asserts that the non-existing word champsos would be the Greek word for "crocodile". We can only reliably assess what the describing authors think that certain Greek words might mean, but we can not present that in certain cases as the truth. Wimpus (talk) 20:31, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

:Again, I don't think that this is the place to adress these minor grammatical details. As can be read on this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_scientific_vocabulary#Words_and_word_roots_that_have_different_meanings_from_those_in_the_original_languages, it seems to be a greek spelling of an originally Egyptian name thats commonly used in the scientific vocabulary. The Morrison Man (talk) 20:51, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

::But not attested as champsus in ancient Greek. So, it is basically incorrect information. And that specific page you are referring to does not mention a Greek spelling champsus. Wimpus (talk) 21:39, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

:::Apologies. Derived from the greek χάμψα, as stated on the page. It is not basically incorrect information as it still derives from the greek word. Again, these are semantics that do not need to be argued over or included on a page like this. The Morrison Man (talk) 22:12, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

::::Again, it still mentions a Greek word that does not exist. Incorrect information is presented without any notice.Wimpus (talk) 22:21, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

:::::I think there's a middle ground here. Where there is such an etymological error, we can say that's the meaning that the authors intended (per the first half of the edit at Harpacochampsa). Any inclusion of etymological sources other than the original description is, however, WP:SYNTH. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 22:51, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

::::::@The Morrison Man, in some cases, you seem to have corrected the incorrect etymological information as provided by the original authors. In [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bentiabasaurus&oldid=1184099785 Bentiabasaurus], you wrote: ".... and the Ancient Greek σαῦρος (saûros, "lizard").", while the original authors wrote: ""... and the Greek “saurus” for lizard" So, you have replaced the incorrect "Greek "saurus"" for the correct "Ancient Greek σαῦρος (saûros ...)". Do you think that is a better solution? And wouldn't that be WP:OR? My personal opinion is that my modus operandi seems more transparent. Wimpus (talk) 09:40, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::::Seeing as you dug up a page I last worked on over 1.5 years ago, no, I do not believe this is a better solution. If I made the same page today I would not have included the ancient greek and stuck to the etymology provided by the authors. The Morrison Man (talk) 15:17, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::::: Agreed; see my comment of 23:45, 2 April at Talk:Harpacochampsa#Incorrect etymology. Mathglot (talk) 23:55, 2 April 2025 (UTC)