Talk:Cinnamon roll#Bun and Roll

Although I was not logged in, I replaced the removed image with a new one. Jake0geek 07:19, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

I added the phrase "This construction method is used because it would be impossible to mix in cinnamon flavor into the dough, as it would kill the yeast." This is my understanding. I don't have a citation, because I genuinely couldn't tell you where I first learned it, however, it is self-obvious to any baker. The use of certain spices necessitate the roll method, because they kill yeast, and so can't be put into the dough directly.

-EdwinAmi — Preceding undated comment added 19:54, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

This newly created article appears to be something similar - if not the same thing. Is merge a good idea? Ifnord 23:55, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, I do mention cinnamon rolls, but the main reason I wrote the article is that sticky buns are a somewhat distinct, Germanic phenomenon and are often considered as discrete from cinnamon rolls. Also, they don't necessarily contain cinnamon. The emphasis in the sticky bun is the goo and nuts. --Coheeboy 00:07, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

:huh? they have both here in New Zealand and theyre completely different things. theyre about as similar as fruit loaf and croisants. theyre definately too different to merge into one article. Stucky buns are very much a british thing and are common in a lot of commonwealth countries - didnt know they had them in germany too. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 00:42, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

: The two appear to be distinctly different, so I would oppose the consolidation of these articles. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 03:08, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

::There's nothing but objections here, but someone decided to go ahead and merge it anyway. I've reverted the merge and separated the two again. I also moved "sticky buns" to the singular sticky bun, per MOS. Kafziel 18:48, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

There seems to be some disagreement over the origin of the bun versus the roll. It's listed here at interchangable, yet not every source suggests this. Any chance someone can provide some history between the Cinnamon Bun and Cinnamon Roll? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.114.143.5 (talk) 18:43, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Elizabeth Craze is not notable or the fact is not notable? Re-upping my edit. ***muchmusic — Preceding undated comment added 00:16, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

• Elizabeth Craze is not at all notable with respect to the subject of Cinnamon rolls. Mgiganteus1 00:26, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

It seems to be also celebrated in Finland according to [http://www.deski.fi/page.php?page_id=10&tiedote_id=3200 this] (finish). --M.A. 20:35, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

:In Sweden too. -- Henriok (talk) 07:49, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Do you know that a certain stuffed toy dog from Korea was named Cinnamon Roll? Rumor has it that a real dog came to a cafe in Seoul and it enjoyed eating some of the left-over rolls a baker gave to it. I guess that's where the idea came from. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.4.120.100 (talk) 12:30, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

:Interesting. I heard that it can even fly using its ears. 124.106.201.230 (talk) 08:13, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

::Woah, you really know of that character. He appears in a 3-D show which also features animated animals. I could tell he was portrayed by a b**** and that he doesn't sound like a boy. 210.4.120.100 (talk) 12:38, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

:::Maybe, that character might be worth mentioning in the article. 124.106.201.230 (talk) 22:29, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Someone posted "Julian V. AKA has a big head. really really really really reallllyyy big head. HUGE head. on his shoulders" in the See Also section, so I removed it.Uber1993 (talk) 23:41, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

I've taken the liberty to remove this bit of information about those alleged Swedish inventors of the cinnamon roll. There is no information to be found about these supposed inventors anywhere on the net except what seems to be information taken from this Wiki page. In fact not even Swedish pages about celebrating 'Kanelbullar Day' mention them nor does the Swedish Wiki page. Just about the only notion I found was someone saying that allegedly the Swedish invented this roll during the 1920's but even this seems somewhat unbelievable to me since as far as I know cinnamon rolls have been around in Europe quite a bit longer than that.

However if someone can find any proof for the original claim feel free to add it to reference list and undo my changes. Hadoriel (talk) 15:00, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

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This must be the same as a Swedish Butterkaka. After reading about it they seem to be identical. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.228.152.185 (talk) 08:15, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

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User Sookevista has on January, 2019 radically changed the information on the page without debate or sources. Any suggestion on the best way to correct it? Kisualk (talk) 22:17, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Serving cinnamon rolls with chili in the American Midwest originated in Nebraska, not Kansas. In Nebraska, cinnamon rolls are served with chili in schools and at the popular local restaurant, Runza. 136.32.184.173 (talk) 17:39, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

:As for it being a Midwest thing, never have seen or even heard of it and lived in the Midwest most of our life (60+ years). Suspect it is limited to some local areas apparently in the far western part of what the U.S. government now defines as the Midwest (when we were kids, we were taught states like Nebraska and Kansas were part of the Great Plains, not the Midwest which ended in Iowa and Minnesota). Indeed, a non-wiki influenced reference mentions the "school lunch" combination of the two being seen in Iowa, Colorado, Nebraska, Wyoming, Washington, and the Dakotas - surely, Colorado, Wyoming, and Washington aren't considered part of the Midwest even by the U.S. government. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:801:300:A9E0:90D0:4C5:3434:CF27 (talk) 22:37, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

This article seems to have combined two "cakes" into one. A cinnamon roll is made with pastry dough and originates probably from Sweden (called Kanelbullar but also known as a Bun) while a Cinnamon Bun is a sweet bread dough. Should we seperate out into two different articles or re-write to differentiate the differences? Davidstewartharvey (talk) 15:24, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:I find Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library, especially the Oxford Reference partnership, to be helpful for this kind of question. Here is what I've learned today:

:Bun vs roll:

:Apparently this is an WP:ENGVAR issue.[https://www-oxfordreference-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/display/10.1093/acref/9780192806819.001.0001/acref-9780192806819-e-0357?rskey=WxJ3Q8&result=8] In BrEng, buns are always sweet, rich(er) doughs. In AmEng, an individual portion of a bread-like baked good, even if it is just lump of plain bread dough, can be a bun (cf hamburger bun). Canadian English uses cinnamon bun.[https://www-oxfordreference-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/display/10.1093/acref/9780195418163.001.0001/m_en_ca0012989?rskey=vZgMlA&result=5] Both of these are the same subject, just with regional preferences for different names.

:History:

:We've probably got the history/origin wrong per [https://www-oxfordreference-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/display/10.1093/acref/9780199313396.001.0001/acref-9780199313396-e-58?rskey=d6aJvL&result=2] (I've added links in this quotation to our articles): "Cinnamon buns are associated with Germany, where they were known as Schnecken, or “snails,” for their coiled shape. Although recipes for these buns can be found in early German cookbooks from the 1500s, they may originally have been introduced from Byzantium. The buns soon spread to many places, including Scandinavia, where various forms of kanelbullar are typically served with coffee. In the early eighteenth century, many Germans moved to Pennsylvania, bringing with them their sweet pastries and other food traditions....Cinnamon buns eventually spread to other parts of the United States, where they took on regional variations, such as pecan rolls and honey buns. Philadelphia sticky buns, for which coiled rolls filled with cinnamon sugar are baked on a glaze of sugar or honey that transforms into a gooey, caramelized topping when the rolls are inverted after baking, derive from English Chelsea buns."

:Pastry vs (sweet) bread:

:BLUF: They're correctly called sweet bread/sweet roll.[https://www-oxfordreference-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/display/10.1093/acref/9780199313396.001.0001/acref-9780199313396-e-58?rskey=d6aJvL&result=2]

:The line between pastry and bread dough is complicated by the existence of Viennoiserie, which combines a yeast bread dough with laminated/puff pastry technique. Also, there's no law preventing people from giving whatever name they want to a baked good. That means that a cake can be called a pie, and a spiral of non-yeasted puff pastry dough can be called a cinnamon roll. But looking at the overall state, cinnamon rolls normally use a dough containing yeast (including Viennoiserie dough), and the minority made from pure puff pastry are intending to mimic the originals, and so can be lumped in here as a variant.

:My recommendations:

:Based on poking about in the sources, I suggest the following:

:# Cinnamon roll, Chelsea bun, and Sticky bun should all give sweet roll as the generic form.

:# Cinnamon roll should not use the word pastry at all, or only use it in a section named something like ==Variations==.

:# Cinnamon roll and Cinnamon bun are the same thing; each article should use the name that matches the WP:ENGVAR of the article where the name is used.

:# Schnecken should be merged to Sweet roll, as they are the same thing and have the same origin.

:# Cinnamon roll, Sweet roll, and Honey bun should note their German (and probably Byzantine) origin.

:# Sticky bun should note its historic connection to Chelsea bun.

:WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:22, 22 June 2025 (UTC)