Talk:Confederate States of America#rfc 362AAFE

1. The CSA, while in the South, was not synonymous with the South; the South was a region, the CSA was a breakaway state.

2. Not all Southerners supported or sided with the Confederacy.

3. Labeling the entire region and people of the South as the Confederacy could apply false stigma to non-Confederate southerners. LordOfWalruses (talk) 23:34, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

:"Not all Southerners supported or sided with the Confederacy." The prominent exceptions were Delaware, Kentucky, Maryland, West Virginia, and Washington, D.C. traditional parts of the Southern United States which were members of the Union faction during the American Civil War. Dimadick (talk) 05:25, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

::Well, LordOfWalruses, Confederates were Southerners. That not all Southerners were Confederates is another matter. But I have the feeling that you're only posting questions all over the place to get to 500 edits. Drmies (talk) 21:39, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

:::It’s not really “another matter” because like I and @Dimadick said, many Southerners did not support the Confederacy, and some even fought against the Confederacy (with West Virginia going as far as to secede from the Confederacy and return to the Union); the South is a region, the CSA was a breakaway state. They are not the same. LordOfWalruses (talk) 20:43, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

::::It is true that not all Southerners supported the Confederacy. But the universal convention, correctly or incorrectly, is to use "South" and "Confederacy" synonymously. Maurice Magnus (talk) 10:49, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

:::::FYI, this editor has been indefinitely blocked for violating CT as a non-ec contributor. BusterD (talk) 10:53, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

It is never stated directly, but when the 11 states were being listed, they appear to be in order, that is, until Tennessee is mentioned before North Carolina. NC seceded May 20, 1861. TN seceded June 8, 1861. North Carolina joined May 21 and Tennessee on the same day (I think). I propose to swap the names when being listed (which is twice). Auser468 (talk) 22:17, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

English isn't my first language.

"The Confederacy was composed of eleven U.S. states that declared secession; South Carolina, Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Texas, Virginia, Arkansas, Tennessee, and North Carolina; they warred against the United States during the American Civil War."

I'm pretty sure it should be a colon instead of semicolon at start.

"The Confederacy was composed of eleven U.S. states that declared secession: South Carolina, Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Texas, Virginia, Arkansas, Tennessee, and North Carolina; they warred against the United States during the American Civil War."

Yes? Thank you if so, sorry if not. 2A02:C7E:2F68:AC00:345E:29A7:308:41D1 (talk) 13:15, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

:Correct, I went ahead and changed it. Surprised this took so long. 296cherry (talk) 07:07, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

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Dixieland (disambiguation) states:

Dixieland may also refer to:

• An alternative rendering of Dixie - a nickname for the Southern United States, particularly states that comprised the Confederate States of America

Thus, a case could be made for calling the Confederacy "Dixieland." I'd still prefer not to, because "Dixieland" is broader. I'll now drop out of this dispute. Maurice Magnus (talk) 21:09, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

: The Southern US is not the same as the Confederate States. "Dixieland" usually means a type of jazz. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 23:12, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

::The Southern US is the same as the Confederate States, The Confederacy was the southern states when they left the Union. And Dixieland is a common nickname for both the Confederacy and the southern United States. Do I really have to discuss something for hours that's sourced. BlackAfrican2006 (talk) 00:19, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

::: The southern United States is usually considered as the entire area south of the Mason Dixon line. and that includes Maryland. Kentucky and parts of Missouri that Confederacy did not control. "Little Dixie" is now & has always been a central Missouri region along the Missouri River, historically defined by its Southern roots and high concentration of enslaved people before the Civil War. Its core counties stretch from just north of St. Louis westward. It was not controlled by the Confederacy. Rjensen (talk) 00:35, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

::::: Right, Dixie is south of the Mason–Dixon line, which is mainly the border between Pennsylvania and Maryland. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 01:28, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::: And the nickname "Dixie" existed well before the Confederate States of America existed. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 02:19, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::: In addition, the phrase "below the Mason-Dixon line" is (or was) common. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 16:45, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

::::but all of the land the Confederacy did control was "Dixieland". I see consensus against me though. I'll wait 2 hours if no one comes in agreement with me we can change it back BlackAfrican2006 (talk) 00:37, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::I've already reverted because you don't have consensus. By the way, "Dixie" is the common usage in reference to the Southern states, not "Dixieland". Carlstak (talk) 00:43, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::Dixie in short, Dixieland in full. Some people say "Hitler" instead of "Adolf Hitler" for short. Should we cut off his first name from his wiki article lol BlackAfrican2006 (talk) 00:45, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::: The Confederate States were a part of Dixie or Dixieland - the part is not the same as the whole. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 01:11, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::You're just making up stuff, BlackAfrican2006. Show us a reliable source that says that. As [https://academic.oup.com/alh/article-abstract/19/3/603/169201 Coleman Hutchison says] in American Literary History:

::::::::What, or better, where is this longed-for Dixie? While scholars have speculated endlessly on the etymology of the word Dixie, many concur that Emmett’s version of the song founded a South-Dixie metonym. Compellingly, the Oxford English Dictionary suggests Emmett’s Dixie as the first use of the word to denote “the southern United States; the South.”

:::::::Carlstak (talk) 02:21, 22 June 2025 (UTC)