Talk:Conor McGregor#Semi-protected edit request on 12 July 2021

I added :Category:Irish rapists to the article. It was removed by {{U|Nswix}} because the finding was by a civil court. So, per WP:BRD, we reach "D". I say that the fact that he was found to have raped someone by a civil court and not a criminal court is immaterial. Effectively calling McGregor a rapist is not a breach of WP:BLP and that the category should be restored to the article. Mjroots (talk) 06:25, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

:Given that there is a subcategory of :Category:Irish rapists called :Category:Irish people convicted of rape, then yes, he should be added to the former. The trial, and reporting on the trial, outlined what he did (in graphic detail). He should also be added to :Category:Irish sex offenders (which I'll now add him to). Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 08:51, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

:I note in an edit summary, Nswix said {{tpq|It was a civil suit, thrown out of criminal court}}. Completely incorrect, and Nswix appears to be unfamiliar with the Irish justice system. The allegation was investigated by Gardaí. They felt there was enough evidence to prosecute, and so referred a file to the Director of Public Prosecutions. Her office decided that there was not sufficient evidence to secure a criminal conviction "beyond all reasonable doubt", and elected not to proceed with a prosecution. Which, as we know, is very common in sexual assault and rape cases. That's a far cry from "was thrown out of criminal court." Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 08:59, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

::The case can't have been "thrown out of criminal court" if it never reached the criminal court in the first place. Mjroots (talk) 09:56, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

:He was convicted of rape in court and it was reported as such in reliable Irish news media. Spideog (talk) 11:40, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

::I'm not sure that's accurate, Spideog. He wasn't convicted of rape in court, he was found liable by a civil court. NEDOCHAN (talk) 16:15, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

Consensus seems to be for inclusion of the category. I'll add it back. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 23:48, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Why is categorisation of sections in wiki so inconsistent?

Why are allegations and legal outcomes for Conor McGregor listed under a general “Controversies” section? Other notorious individuals like Harvey Weinstein have more specific and objective headings eg. “Sexual Abuse Accusations, Convictions, and Appeals.” The term “controversies” seems to downplay the gravity of the accusations compared to more precise headings directly referencing criminal behavior?

Isn’t Wikipedia meant to represent neutrality, accuracy, and fairness? Using objective and specific language, especially for serious legal matters, ensures clarity and avoids any perception of minimising or trivislising the severity of certain accusations… 86.27.117.163 (talk) 19:01, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

:Harvey Weinstein is known almost exclusively for his sexual assault accusations. It's so prominent it has it's own page. McGregor was found liable in a civil suit that was dropped from a criminal case. It's apples and oranges. Nswix (talk) 19:20, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

::Yeah the key term in that subheading on the Weinstein page is **Convictions**. 143.58.157.68 (talk) 14:23, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

:::Surely rapist should be in the first paragraph, not hidden away.

:::It defines a person. 95.91.212.177 (talk) 23:18, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

::::I would agree with this - whether or not it was dropped from criminal to civil, he is a convicted rapist and that - of all his controversies - is what he has been most known for in the media in recent years. I would argue "convicted rapist" should be in his introduction piece, purely as a factual statement alongside the MMA records. GaribaldiBiscuits (talk) 09:16, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

Why isn't it mentioned that he has over 20 convictions, and has been found guilty of rape until you read to the end of the article?

It should be at the beginning. 95.91.212.177 (talk) 23:37, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

• Because that's not what he's notable for, he wasn't even criminally convicted of, which you'd know if you read the paragraph you commented on, above. Nswix (talk) 00:03, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
• :Many sources would differ and your man has got into a lot of controversy over his rape of Hand. Look at any RTÉ article since he was found guilty and you’ll find that it is almost always mentioned. Surely this is enough to justify rapist being in the first paragraph. JohnPork79 (talk) 16:09, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

Why are this man‘s crimes being called “controversies” when other pages use legal terminology for convicted criminals? Being convicted of raping a woman is not a controversy. Punching an old man in the face in front of witnesses is not a controversy. Call them what they are. 24.140.204.84 (talk) 03:19, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

:All of that should go under a "Criminal History" category 2603:8081:8700:2732:4E9F:87AA:6CDE:9090 (talk) 18:45, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

{{edit semi-protected|Conor McGregor|answered=yes}}

Correction: he is retired. 142.163.116.241 (talk) 17:12, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

:{{Not done}}: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 21:09, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

I reverted this edit. The edit added the following sentence to the lead...

: After the verdict, McGregor lost some partnership deals, but has since focused on his family, training, and philanthropy, while also expanding his business ventures, securing new partnerships, and growing his brand.

...and added the following paragraph to the Endorsements and sponsors section:

: Despite these setbacks, McGregor has grown his business ventures, with several new partnerships and initiatives. In October 2024, he launched a cigar brand{{cite news |title=Conor McGregor's latest business move: launching "Notorious Cigars" |url=https://www.marca.com/en/ufc/2024/10/07/67045108268e3e21668b45e6.html |date=7 October 2024}}{{cite news |title=Former UFC champion Conor McGregor to launch cigar brand “Notorious” |url=https://londoncigarsmoker.com/2024/10/07/ufc-fighter-conor-mcgregor-to-launch-cigar-brand-notorious/ |date=7 October 2024}} and became a brand ambassador for both a protein popcorn snack{{cite news |title=Conor McGregor’s Endeavor in Entering $47B Market Gets Backed by UFC’s ‘Wonderboy’ |url=https://www.essentiallysports.com/ufc-mma-news-conor-mcgregors-endeavor-in-entering-forty-seven-b-market-gets-backed-by-ufcs-wonderboy/ |date=13 November 2024}}{{cite news |title=Conor McGregor launches new business — And it’s sure to shock you! |url=https://www.mundodeportivo.com/us/en/20241010/704077/conor-mcgregor-launches-new-business-and-it-s-sure-to-shock-you.html |date=10 October 2024}} and Bucked Up energy drink{{cite news |title=Conor McGregor Joins Bandwagon in Exploiting Potential $47B Market as UFC Star Enters Into Business Deal |url=https://www.essentiallysports.com/ufc-mma-news-conor-mcgregor-joins-bandwagon-in-exploiting-potential-dollar-forty-seven-billion-market-as-ufc-star-enters-into-business-deal/ |date=7 November 2024}}{{cite news |title=(Exclusive) Conor McGregor & ‘Bucked Up’ Unveil ‘Notorious’ Energy Drinks |url=https://www.si.com/fannation/mma/news/exclusive-conor-mcgregor-bucked-up-notorious-energy-drinks-ufc-return-fight |date=3 October 2024}}. In February 2025, McGregor signed the British girl group Sweet Love to his label, Greenback Records,{{cite news |title=Conor McGregor: I Signed A Girl Band! ... They're the Biggest Group Since Spice Girls!!! |url=https://www.tmz.com/2025/02/12/conor-mcgregor-sweet-love-green-back-record-spice-girls/ |date=12 February 2025}} and made significant public appearances, including attending President Donald Trump's inauguration on January 19, 2025, and visited the families of 13 U.S. service members killed during the withdrawal from Afghanistan near Abbey Gate in Kabul.{{cite news |title=Exclusive: Inside Conor McGregor's meeting with Gold Star Families |url=https://washingtonreporter.news/p/exclusive-inside-conor-mcgregors |date=19 January 2025}}

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My reasons for reverting the edit:

The sentence added to the lead reads very much like WP:PROMO material, and it's mostly unsourced. How did the editor who wrote that sentence know that McGregor "focused on his family"? Did he actually "expand his business ventures" and "grow his brand"? All of these are rather dubious claims and full of WP:PEACOCK words.

The same goes for the first sentence of the added paragraph.

Parts of the rest of the paragraph might be OK, but most of the sources seem to be of rather low quality. I guess TMZ is the best among them, or maybe Sports Illustrated, but the Washington Reporter almost certainly isn't a WP:RS. Quote from their About page: We cover stories pushed by interested parties–including lobbyists or operatives with clients–as long as the content is true, fair, and insightful. [https://washingtonreporter.news/about]

I'm not sure which parts of the paragraph have lasting relevance for McGregor's biography. If there are any, they probably belong in other sections.

In summary: 1. The sentence added to the lead is mostly WP:PROMO. Not acceptable. 2. Maybe some parts of the paragraph can be salvaged, but only with better sources that indicate lasting relevance.

— Chrisahn (talk) 23:10, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

:Delete with extreme prejudice, as entirely PROMO. The reality is many of the businesses he now owns are in serious trouble, being removed from the shelves of multiples, his endorsements being cancelled as association with him is seen by most as a negative. Clearly with the possible exception of a band who have been unsigned for two years following their career highlight, being the opening act for a 90s band who reformed for a tour. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 23:44, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

:How can you call literally committing crimes a “setback” this needs to be change from “Despite these setbacks” to “Despite his criminal charges” JohnPork79 (talk) 16:12, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

{{edit semi-protected|Conor McGregor|answered=yes}}

McGregor told the 46-year-old to "Dance for me, boy," at a promotional event in Los Angeles, before urging the crowd to yell obscenities at Mayweather, his wife and children.

"46-year-old" should be changed to Mayweather, or, failing this, "40-year-old". Mayweather's age as written reflects that the article this sentence was taken from was written in 2023. 184.145.73.87 (talk) 03:25, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

:I changed it to "him" so that "Mayweather" is not used twice in that sentence.— yutsi (talk) 19:22, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

I feel like the fact that a jury found that he raped a woman is going under in the article. Especially considering the additional numerous cases of alleged sexual assault and assault that he faced. I'm not a professional when it comes to Wikipedia's rules, however just from a personal human perspective I feel like a convicted rapist should immediately be recognisable as such in the first sentence and not just after 4 paragraphs of all his athletic achievements. To me that seems like an essential thing to know about a person. Why not something along the lines of "Conor McGregor is an Irish professional mixed martial artist, businessman and convicted rapist."

Isn't that just as important as the other facts about him? FrittenFloeter (talk) 23:45, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

:Following this suggestion, added a brief reference in the first paragraph. Iandaandi (talk) 06:42, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

:And I have updated the opening sentence. He hasn't fought (in the ring) in four years, and is arguably just as well known now for his arrests, civil and criminal trials, etc. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 22:45, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

:I amended the opening sentence, as mentioned. There seems to be consensus for inclusion of "convicted criminal" and MOS:LEAD specifically states the lead {{tpq|"should identify the topic, establish context, explain why the topic is notable, and summarize the most important points, including any prominent controversies.}} WP is not censored. [https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%2B%22Conor+McGregor%22+%2B%22Nikita+Hand%22&t=h_&iar=news&ia=news This] and [https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=63c9e37f8da915f5&sxsrf=AHTn8zpS-JBo6l8yyGTYm0D0CfMwXHyBcA:1742555629263&q=Conor+McGregor+convicted&tbm=nws&source=lnms&fbs=ABzOT_CWdhQLP1FcmU5B0fn3xuWpmDtIGL1r84kuKz6yAcD_igefx-eKq1gCPHF3zhthFoneNn6lL83lY3KLybUMxCNDhMUtbCQQO9t_eGxoOP_s3rItuNZS-W19ptc8ORgKvNpqoEL9aKVVR4ITMHmbVwdD3fXkbrWUD1b2Uvn1CfIw_qaZdCGH2K91qHEdYnDXiyvaY5Fk&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiLj6LKhZuMAxW6VkEAHUtJBRIQ0pQJegQIEhAB&biw=1920&bih=911&dpr=1 this] demonstrate that McGregor is as well known now for his civil and criminal convictions as he is for anything else. (And he won't be a "politician" until he actually runs for office).

:It would be helpful if those who disagree could discuss here, rather than just reverting. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 11:17, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

At some point, an infobox that only highlights celebrated sports achievements seems unbalanced in light of a growing list of convictions that are also a large part of this biography.

While Template:Infobox criminal exists, it doesn't seem to be intended for a page like this.

If other editors are in consensus, it seems like it could be a fair compromise for the infobox to include basic biographical data only (age, nationality, etc.), while all other information would continue to appear in the article's text.

Please share feedback and any other suggestions. Thanks!

Iandaandi (talk) 05:59, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

:The 'basic' :Template:Infobox person has parameters for criminal convictions, and also allows inclusion of additional infobox types, so it would be possible to include both the convictions and the current MMA information, if desired? Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 22:51, 19 March 2025 (UTC)