Talk:Cradle of civilization#Usage of references

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Indus Valley

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"The cities were perhaps originally about a mile square in overall dimensions, and their outstanding magnitude suggests political centralization, either in two large states or in a single great empire with alternative capitals. Alternatively, it may be that Harappa succeeded Mohenjo-daro, which is known to have been devastated more than once by exceptional floods. Encyclopædia Britannica http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9039205/Harappa Harappa (Pakistan) – Britannica Online Encyclopedia | Britannica.com accessdate 2010-01-09

Firstly, there is no citation for "political centralisation" of indus valley. In fact, majority view is that because of absence of evidence of kings, the society was more decentralised.

The second statement I removed regarding "Harappa succeeded Mohenjo-daro" doesn't make any sense in the context.

Six or seven? Question about adding Ancient Iran as a cradle of civilization.

The recent revision changed the number of cradles of civilization from six to seven by adding Ancient Iran to the list. This is a significant change to the article's content. Could someone please review the new references supporting this addition?

It would also be helpful if we could find additional reliable sources that support or discuss this claim. Given the importance of this topic, we should ensure that this change reflects a broad scholarly consensus rather than an isolated view.

If anyone has access to recent academic publications or expert opinions on this matter, please share them here. This will help us present the most accurate and up-to-date information in the article.

Thanks in advance for any insights or additional references! ScriptorVirens (talk) 14:38, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

:This seems to have since been removed. -- Beland (talk) 20:48, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

India or Pakistan?

Indus Valley Civilization lies in the modern day Pakistan but start of this article claims it being in Ancient India. This is problematic, especially when there are revisionist movement focused on labelling Indus valley civilization as a Vedic civilization. Sy.mehdi.riz (talk) 09:29, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Subtitle is Biased and Wrong

It is surprising that such information exists on Wikipedia. Did anyone looked at what is written in 'Cradle of Western Civilization' subtitle and sources metioned there? Outside of Greek and Roman influence the subtitle is icncomplete and the rest is simply wrong. Dull religious-minded style, dubious and obscure sources, biased and wrong arguments. It looks more like some (let's not mention) lobby's brainwashing. Does anyone even moderates articles? 37.29.88.9 (talk) 19:35, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

:Also: Iran is not part of Mesopotamia 37.29.88.9 (talk) 19:58, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

No discussion on Europe

The Americas get 2 distinct sections, Africa gets 1, Asia gets 3 different ones, but Europe gets zilch discussion about Old Europe? 194.102.58.6 (talk) 17:19, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

:I may be wrong, but I don't believe "old europe" is considered a "civilization" in it's own right? 125.239.229.96 (talk) 12:19, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

::You're right. Although you sometimes hear Greece or Rome cited as the "Cradle of European Civilization", they are not usually included among the half dozen Cradles of Civilization. Smallchief (talk) 13:03, 24 May 2025 (UTC)