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Death toll

I've just found something interesting. The Le Monde article from March 6, 1996 mentions sixteen fatalities:

:Un retraité blessé lors de la tuerie de Cuers (Var), le 24 septembre dernier, a succombé samedi 2 mars à ses blessures au centre hospitalier d'Aix-en-Provence. Pierre Marigliano, soixante-huit ans, est la seizième victime du drame. Il faisait ses courses lorsque le jeune meurtrier de seize ans, Eric Borel, avait ouvert le feu.

Though I've read several articles that mentioned 16 people dead, none of them bothered to elaborate. Maybe someone can shed a little bit of light into the darkness and verify the higher death toll. (Lord Gøn (talk) 22:39, 27 January 2009 (UTC))

:Riddle solved, looky here: Le Monde (October 26, 1995)

::la tuerie de Cuers a fait une quinzième victime. Une retraitée de soixante-huit ans, Jeanne Laugiero, grièvement blessée par l'adolescent qui avait abattu le 24 septembre treize personnes avant de se suicider, est décédée dimanche 23 octobre.(Lord Gøn (talk) 11:48, 30 January 2009 (UTC))

External links

The external links section was getting too big. The article is already well-cited and I see no reason to overcite things which don't need citing so I've just removed them. However, I've kept it in the page history and I'll copy the list below for reference if anybody thinks something needs adding as a source. Thanks, SITH (talk) 17:38, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

  • [http://www.oodoc.com/27726-Cuers-forclusion-criminalite-criminel.php La tuerie de Cuers: forclusion et criminalité, un lien possible?]
  • [http://www.varmatin.com/ra/var/213156/dossier-la-tuerie-de-cuers-14-ans-apres-dans-la-peau-des-enqueteurs Dossier: La tuerie de Cuers 14 ans après], varmatin.com (September 24, 2009)
  • [http://www.cafepedagogique.net/lemensuel/lenseignant/schumaines/ses/Documents/ERIC.DOC Meurtres sans Paroles], Le Monde (October 6, 1995) (.doc-file)
  • [https://www.humanite.fr/popup_imprimer.html?id_article=734770 A la recherche d’un mobile apparent], L'Humanité (September 27, 1995)
  • [https://www.humanite.fr/1995-09-28_Articles_-Tuerie-de-Cuers-le-temoignage-du-maire Tuerie de Cuers: le témoignage du maire], L'Humanité (September 28, 1995)
  • [https://www.humanite.fr/1995-09-30_Articles_-Cuers-rend-hommage-a-ses-enfants-assassines Cuers rend hommage à ses enfants assassinés], L'Humanité (September 30, 1995)
  • [http://www.lexpress.fr/informations/quatorze-morts-pour-un-secret_610033.html Quatorze morts pour un secret], L'Express (October 5, 1995)
  • [http://hebdo.nouvelobs.com/hebdo/parution/p1613/articles/a16419-eric_le_monde_au_bout_du_fusil.html Retour sur la tuerie de Cuers], Le Nouvel Observateur (October 5, 1995)
  • [http://www.liberation.fr/france/0101152404-massacre-en-deux-actes-dans-le-vareric-16-ans-a-tue-sa-famille-samedi-et-abattu-hier-huit-passants-avant-de-se-suicider Massacre en deux actes dans le Var], Libération (September 25, 1995)
  • [http://www.liberation.fr/france/0101155222-tuerie-de-cuers-mort-d-une-quinzieme-victime Tuerie de Cuers: mort d'une quinzième victime], Libération (October 25, 1995)
  • [http://www.liberation.fr/france/0101175537-cuers-la-vie-apres-les-morts-le-village-du-var-a-enterre-mercredi-la-seizieme-victime-de-la-tuerie-du-24-septembre Cuers, la vie après les morts], Libération (March 9, 1996)
  • [http://www.focus.de/politik/ausland/frankreich-ein-junge-dreht-durch_aid_155664.html Ein Junge dreht durch], Focus (40/1995)
  • [http://archiviostorico.corriere.it/1995/settembre/25/Eric_una_giornata_follia_co_0_95092511802.shtml Eric, una giornata di follia], Corriere della Sera (September 25, 1995)
  • {{YouTube|IVUPTeT2sKw|Magazine/ société 1}}
  • [https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=MxgVAAAAIBAJ&sjid=ZgMEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6520,8005296&dq= Teenager turns gun on self after killing 12], Toledo Blade (September 25, 1995)
  • [https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=NBgVAAAAIBAJ&sjid=ZgMEAAAAIBAJ&pg=3822,8168064&dq= French town deals with shock as another victim of teen dies], Toledo Blade (September 26, 1995)
  • [https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=NRgVAAAAIBAJ&sjid=ZgMEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5773,8355935&dq= French pursue cause of teen's killing spree], Toledo Blade (September 27, 1995)
  • [https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=EBsOAAAAIBAJ&sjid=jn0DAAAAIBAJ&pg=6742,3558696&dq= French teen kills family, villagers], The Daily Courier (September 25, 1995)
  • [https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=ELQLAAAAIBAJ&sjid=pVUDAAAAIBAJ&pg=3578,7965774&dq= French in schock fromm teen's shooting spree], Ludington Daily News (September 25, 1995)
  • [https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=ozUVAAAAIBAJ&sjid=0AcEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5493,5428280&dq= Teen goes on shooting spree], Ocala Star-Banner (September 25, 1995)
  • [https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=9HAVAAAAIBAJ&sjid=E-sDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5823,6411533&dq= French youth kills 11 in rampage], Eugene Register-Guard (September 25, 1995)
  • [https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=bTAJAAAAIBAJ&sjid=9DYDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6554,7146220&dq= Teen goes on rampage], Rome News-Tribune (September 25, 1995)
  • [https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=A8IPAAAAIBAJ&sjid=9Y0DAAAAIBAJ&pg=2505,5296111&dq= 13th victim dies in French rampage], The News (September 26, 1995)
  • [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/deranged-french-boy-slaughters-12-1602769.html Deranged French boy slaughters 12], The Independent (September 25, 1995)
  • [http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=NewsLibrary&p_multi=DSNB&d_place=DSNB&p_theme=newslibrary2&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0F360DF6F88752FC&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM French slayer of 13 a neo-nazi fanatic?], The Deseret News (September 25, 1995 )
  • [http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=MWSB&p_theme=mwsb&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0EB8290C4D07A8A3&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM Death brings rampage toll to 13], Associated Press (September 26, 1995)

Accidental Comedy

I have not much to add, other than that the way this paragraph is phrased and structured, is funny in ways that are probably not intended.

{{ talk quote block | Many reports erroneously stated that Borel's room was full of Nazi paraphernalia, and rumors he was fascist sympathizer were spurred even more by the fact that his stepfather had attended several meetings of the Front National in 1989. But besides a picture of Adolf Hitler cut out from a newspaper, graffiti displaying a swastika on his door, a few books on World War II, as well as a documentary about the Waco siege, no evidence was found after his death that he was interested in any kind of politics.}}

Sometimes the search for encyclopedic accuracy and diligence, results in spontaneous acts of dark comedy.

2A01:E0A:8A7:D1A0:18DE:366C:1CF9:5246 (talk) 17:31, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 17 September 2024

:The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Moved as an WP:RMNOMIN{{!}}uncontested request with minimal participation. If there is any objection within a reasonable time frame, please ask me to reopen the discussion; if I am not available, please ask at the WP:RM/TR#Requests to revert undiscussed moves{{!}}technical requests page. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vanderwaalforces (talk) 19:34, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

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:Éric Borel → {{no redirect|Cuers massacre}} – This could go either way, but I think this article would be better scoped as an article on the event and not the perpetrator, given WP:BIO1E. Admittedly, a very large proportion of the coverage on the event is about Borel, so even as an event-based article it will probably still largely be about him, but given that he has no notability outside of it and how the event is covered I believe it will be easier to structure and improve as an event-based article.

The common title for the event in French is "Tuerie de Cuers", literally Cuers massacre. There were killings in other locations but the sources call it this. This incident is usually referred to without the year in French given how notorious it was (I think it's the worst non-terror mass shooting in France), but admittedly is not too well known overseas so specifying the year may be necessary. PARAKANYAA (talk) 05:05, 17 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 05:53, 24 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  ASUKITE 15:52, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

:Note: WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography and WikiProject France have been notified of this discussion. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 05:53, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

:Relisting comment: Second relist - hoping we get some participation. Titles involving "massacre" tend to get a lot of attention, so participation would probably be preferable to treating this as a WP:RM/TR as we otherwise would. ASUKITE 15:52, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

::in my experience they only tend to get a lot of attention if they are recent or politically contentious, of which this is neither, so I have few hopes. English speakers have little interest in this one. PARAKANYAA (talk) 18:53, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.