Talk:Cyclone Jasper#Merger proposal

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Unrelated info and improving accuracy and context

Deleted the sentence of "One fatality occurred when a severe thunderstorm swept throughout the southeast of the state in the Brisbane suburb of Murarrie.", as this was from a thunderstorm associated with a trough system completely unrelated to the cyclone. Also deleted the storm impact section for the same reason.

Added in the fact that the station called Yandill received 624mm in 1 day, which is the 2nd heaviest daily December reading on record in Australia

I changed "a total damage figure for the storm" to cyclone. Also changed "moderate to heavy rainfall" to "moderate to locally intense rainfall" to better fit with the high rain totals, as well as the BOM warnings. Hitchy04 (talk) 17:18, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

:Any source that proves that "one fatality" is not related to the cyclone? HurricaneEdgar 21:57, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

::The fatality is related to a completely unrelated trough system that passed over S QLD. The death happened certainly, but it was not as a direct or indirect result of Jasper. It is false information.

::Brisbane is more than 1100km from the nearest flood warning. Hitchy04 (talk) 00:24, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

:::Following your concern I've removed the questionable context. HurricaneEdgar 00:46, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Merger proposal

{{Discussion top|result=The result of this discussion was Merge. HurricaneEdgar 23:36, 11 January 2024 (UTC)}}

File:Merge-arrows.svg Formal request has been received to merge: 2023 Cairns floods into Cyclone Jasper; dated: December 2023. Proposer's Rationale: The flooding around Cairns was triggered by Jasper and its remnant low stalling and enhancing rainfall in the area for several days. Precedent has been set in the past with 2013 Eastern Australia floods redirecting to Cyclone Oswald and 2017 Eastern Australia floods to Cyclone Debbie. ~{{U|Andyman14}}. Discuss here. GenQuest ^"scribble" 03:23, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

:I agree with the merger of 2023 Cairns floods into Cyclone Jasper, since the floods were caused by Jasper.Jason Rees (talk) 15:37, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

::Agree - The article about the Cairn's floods is directly caused by Jasper and can be easily merged with the main article. Twix82 (talk) 17:06, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

:::Agree Due to these floods being caused solely by Jasper, I feel that instead of a separate article, a section of Cyclone Jasper can just include this information 🍙🌀CycloneIns✉ 03:00, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

::::Agree - Jasper was directly responsible for the flooding in North Queensland, especially after a coastal trough developed behind the remnant low which had stalled. This trough, combined with the low drawing moisture from the north, exacerbated the already high rainfall, which ended up stalling over Cairns' Northern suburbs and resulted in the flooding Reckless4800 (talk) 08:29, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

:::::Agree – As the floods were brought about by the cyclone, it makes sense to write about the flooding within the context of the cyclone. Drdpw (talk) 16:09, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

::::::Since it seems that everyone agrees that the floods should be merged, should this discussion be closed? ''Flux55'' (talk) 19:37, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Final category of TC Jasper

While the BOM still refers to Jasper as a category 4 cyclone at its peak on its [http://www.bom.gov.au/cyclone/history/jasper23.shtml past cyclone page] (note that post analysis has not been completed yet according to the page), the 2023-24 wet season summary which was released by the BOM in mid May 2024 refers to TC Jasper having peaked as a [http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/season/tropics/archive/202404.summary.shtml category 5 cyclone] multiple times instead. As this is the more likely recently updated information, I propose the category be changed, or at least further investigated. Hitchy04 (talk) 15:11, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

:{{Done}} It's been a while since BoM reported that Jasper peaked as a category 5 hurricane. I've changed about the new update in the article and then the cyclone history. HurricaneEdgar 14:22, 15 June 2024 (UTC)