Talk:Czech Republic

{{atop|1=Asked and answered. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:41, 11 March 2025 (UTC)}}

Why is this article still called Czech Republic? I see Czechia everywhere now, including Google Maps, the Vodafone website etc. I think some people have problems of adopting to the new name. They will never accept the new name.

Example:

https://www.vodafone.com.au/mobile/international-calls 2001:8003:9100:2C01:99EF:A1BE:718A:7624 (talk) 14:23, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

:You can learn about the reasoning by taking a look at prior discussions (see the list at the top of this page; in mobile view, you'll have to click the link that reads "Learn more about this page" first) that have already taken place about this matter. Largoplazo (talk) 15:07, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

::Why are some people so stubborn about keeping the old short name? The United Nations has adopted the new short name since 17 May 2016. The new name has been used for almost 10 years now. Eventually, we will have to move the article title to Czechia anyway, why not doing it early? I don't understand it.

::Reference: https://www.fao.org/nocs/en 2001:8003:9100:2C01:C950:7681:A762:E883 (talk) 04:30, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

:::See Talk:Czech_Republic#Requested_move_1_October_2024 and earlier move-discussions, they are listed at the top of this talkpage. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 04:41, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

:We have a moratorium on this question, so please don't raise it again till October at the earliest. Last time we debated it, the closers noted that there were good arguments on both sides, and the situation may in any case be changing, so it will bear another look in the fullness of time, but out of respect for wiki-colleagues we don't re-debate a decision until a reasonable amount of time has passed - in this case, we agreed a year. Doric Loon (talk) 17:32, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

::The closer of Talk:Czech_Republic/Archive_13#Moratorium said 9 months, so people who think it's a good idea can start a new WP:RM#CM after July 26. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:47, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

:It's because of @Largoplazo and others who consider it worth their time to block this inevitable change year after year. Unloose ^(talk) 08:04, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

::In other words, it's because of people who in good faith are following the guidelines that apply to this situation. Largoplazo (talk) 09:23, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

::@Unloose As a supporter of this change, I would have to say that that is a really unhelpful comment. Ad hominem remarks are strategically counterproductive, and are not in the spirit of Wikipedia. Doric Loon (talk) 10:58, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

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The country is not historically known as Bohemia. Bohemia is one of the regions. Even historically, Lands of the Czech crown was used, not just Bohemia. Moravia was de facto independent. Not to mention there was Great Moravia and Principality of Moravia before Bohemia. It's just disrespectful to all Moravians (And CZ Silesians) to say it was called Bohemia. 193.179.119.233 (talk) 07:38, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

:Fwiw, previous discussion at Talk:Czech_Republic/Archive_13#Bohemia_is_not_Czechia. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:05, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

::I can't really make much sense of that discussion, and there seems to be scant evidence presented. Saying that the Czech Republic was "historically known as Bohemia" seems an extraordinary claim to me, when any geography buff knows that it is made up of the three areas mentioned above. We should be saying something similar to what Britannica says, namely {{xt|"It comprises the historical provinces of Bohemia and Moravia along with the southern tip of Silesia, collectively often called the Czech Lands"}}.[https://www.britannica.com/place/Czech-Republic] The current text is almost like saying "The United Kingdom, historically known as England".  — Amakuru (talk) 08:46, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

:::Lead-source: "[https://english.radio.cz/bohemia-czechia-8220362 For centuries, the country was called Bohemia in English and Latin, a name derived from the Celtic tribe of Boii who resided there in antiquity. ... In 1348, the Roman emperor and King of Bohemia Charles IV introduced the concept of the Crown of Bohemia (Corona regni Bohemiae in Latin), a term which designated the whole state, not only its core territory. And at least since then, it was sufficiently clear also to English authors that „under the name of Bohemia, in general, are included the kingdom of Bohemia, the duchy of Silesia, and the marquisate of Moravia“ (Universal Magazine, 1756). Early editions of Encyclopaedia Britannica used the term Bohemia in this broad sense, while other publications resorted to composite names like Bohemia and incorporated provinces, Bohemia and its annexed provinces, Bohemian dominions, Bohemian lands etc. In the narrower sense, the term Bohemia Proper was frequently used.]" Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:32, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

::::That does not seems like a high-quality source to me. Most do not equate Bohemia with the entirety of today's Czech Republic. See for example [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=30reYNBrt-4C&pg=PA6 this book], which talks clearly of Bohemia, Moravia and Silesia being separate territories, designating them "collectively known as the Bohemian Crown Lands". It does not at any point call them plain "Bohemia". And why should we defer to what "early editions" of the Britannica do, when clearly the modern version as well as the "other publications" mentioned in your source do not do this.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:39, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::It's not uni-press, but Radio Prague is state-radio, I don't think it's low-quality. Fwiw it's Czech, and it seems to support "historically known as Bohemia" (to English-speakers) to me. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:04, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::Well, aside from the oddity of a Czech source describing what English speakers are supposed to do (rather reminiscent of the whole Czechia debate) it's clear that most sources don't regard it this way. At the very least this is a very contentious thing to say, suppressing the history of the constituent parts of the republic in a manner that simply isn't necessary. This "alternative name" isn't supported by the majority of sources and is borderline offensive. Best solution would be to give the three components as Britannica and the Czech Wikipedia do, but failing that we'd rather not mention the matter in the lead sentence at all.  — Amakuru (talk) 18:10, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::::Jiří Šitler, the author of the lead-source, is a historian and a leading authority in this field. The fact that "Bohemia" historically had two meanings is more than well documented. There is nothing "offensive" about it, and no one is "suppressing" the history of any part of the country – all are mentioned in the following section and elsewhere. Bohemia is mentioned in the lede because the country was known by this name for more than a thousand years. We take the same approach with Iran/Persia or Thailand/Siam. Qertis (talk) 19:46, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::::Fwiw, Jiří Šitler. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:18, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

::(and I do understand that Moravia etc. were part of the Bohemian crown for various periods in history, but in general the sources seem to treat is as a separate region within the Czech Republic notwithstanding that).  — Amakuru (talk) 09:30, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

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1. Sources that use "Czechia":

CIA World Factbook,

UN,

Us.gov,

European Union,

The Visegrad Group,

World Health Organization, BradyBoyer2 (talk) 03:44, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:See "This article has previously been nominated to be moved. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination." above on this talkpage and, if you think it's a good idea, start a WP:RM#CM after 26 July. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:57, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

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RustaviOri (talk) 06:48, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

Czech Republic or Czechia is in Europe. The capital of Czechia is Prague.

:File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 07:30, 12 June 2025 (UTC)