The thread by Aqooni is correct and has been cited with numerous sources. The African Review: World of Information (1992) mentions clearly about the events of a combined SNM-Ethiopian attack on Borama, the capital o the Awdal Region. MustafaO
:: Thank you MustafaO (talk), for providing consensus on this talk page. The sources clearly do speak for themselves. The Dilla Massacre is a tragedy that happened. Aqooni (talk) 02:14, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
This thread is being targeted by Vandals, removing cited sources and changing the name of the page without consensus.Aqooni (talk) 20:54, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
:Please refer to my edit summary. Infobox was removed as it was unsourced. I corrected numerous mis-quoted citations to be closer to source. There were a number of unsubstantiated claims lead to sources that do not support statements, this too was corrected. Exaggerations removed. Sources that were not scholarly were also removed (e.g. awdalpress.com, mareeg.com). There are no reputable sources that mention "Dilla Massacre". Battle of Dilla is a more suitable name as the sources mention fighting between the SNM and pro-government Gadabursi militia. Koodbuur (talk) 21:00, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
:: Your edit summary is vandal like in its entirety. This page is about The Dilla Civilian massacre that was cited by multiple sources within this page, that you have removed without cause. If you want to make a page about "Battles and wars", you are free to do that, without vandalizing this page. The infobox about the Dilla Massacre was sourced by the citable items within the page, but thank you for bringing that to my attention. I can provide sources for the infobox and remedy that. There is no cause to vandalize and uproot and entire page, when you can simply create a new one about a new topic ( An alleged battle). This page is strictly about the Dilla Massacre, the events leading up to it, and it's aftermath. You have deleted multiple sources referencing the civilian massacre. Such as this one https://www.refworld.org/docid/3ae6ad8e24.html "In February 1991, "ethnic cleansing" by the SNM took place in the Boroma region" mentioned an ethnic cleansing against the Gadabursi in the Awdal area, you have also deleted any and all references to a civilian massacre in the Dilla area. Blatant censorship. Aqooni (talk) 21:15, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
::: To continue on with my above point. The Dilla Massacre was an event that occurred on February 4th 1991,but the events leading up to it is crucial to the growth of the page, and provides context. This source [https://books.google.com/books?id=_8D0gYZZVKEC&pg=PA136&dq=dila+snm&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjRudHCksriAhWxOn0KHb-sDFUQ6AEIPTAD#v=onepage&q=dila%20snm&f=false 1], Which is from a book called "Voice and Power" written by R. J. Hayward and I. M. Lewis, that Koodbuur removed in a vandal like edit, stated "The major town of the Rer Mohamoud Nur, Dila, was thoroughly destroyed by the SNM and still lies in ruins, their rural and urban property has been almost entirely plundered by the SNM apparently to avenge the past fierce resistance put up by the Rer Nur in general." That user, has since been blocked for those edits, as seen here [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Koodbuur#June_2019 2]) Supporting the point that the destruction of the town of Dilla was clan based. Another source indicating the existence of the Dilla Massacre here, was also removed. This source [https://books.google.ca/books?id=mgAEAQAAIAAJ 3], which provided background to the event, was removed, it stated "The civil war raging on in the north is between the SNM Isaks against the Gadabursi in the northwest regions". That source is from 1989. This news article [http://allssc.com/2012/02/4-february-is-the-anniversary-of-genocide-in-dilla-and-borama-by-snm-by-suleiman-abdi-dugsiye/ 4] states the existence of a massacre and destruction of the town of Dilla, in the entirety of the article. Multiple news articles mention it as well, [https://www.awdalmedia.com/page.php?story=5580 5], The evidence is overwhelming. If you want to make a page about battles and the like, there is nothing preventing you from doing that. But you shouldn't have to vandalize this page, simply create a new draft and start your own article on whatever you wish. Aqooni (talk) 07:08, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
The Dilla Massacre page has used over 30 different published academic sources.
The sources are listed here: See: [{{Cite book|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=UmoWAQAAIAAJ|title=Somaliland: Democratisation and Its Discontents|date=2003|publisher=International Crisis Group|language=en}}],
[{{Cite web|url=https://www.refworld.org/docid/3ae6ad8e24.html|title=Refworld {{!}} Somalia: Information 1) on the current situation of the Gadabursi in Somalia and in Somaliland, on the actions taken against them by other clans and on their current relationship with the Hawiye and the Issaq,|last=Refugees|first=United Nations High Commissioner for|date=|website=Refworld|language=en|archive-url=|archive-date=|dead-url=|access-date=2019-05-21|quote=In February 1991, "ethnic cleansing" by the SNM took place in the Boroma region, the main Gadabursi town}}],
[{{Cite book|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=Zw0ZAQAAIAAJ|title=Africana: The Encyclopedia of the African and African American Experience|last=Appiah|first=Anthony|last2=Gates|first2=Henry Louis|date=2005|publisher=Oxford University Press|isbn=9780195223293|language=en}}],
[{{Cite book|url=https://books.google.ca/books?id=Q4BBDgAAQBAJ|title=Crisis and Terror in the Horn of Africa: Autopsy of Democracy, Human Rights and Freedom|last=Toggia|first=Pietro|last2=Lauderdale|first2=Pat|date=2017-03-02|publisher=Routledge|isbn=9781351947442|language=en}}],
[{{Cite book|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=_MxHAAAAYAAJ|title=New African, Issues 280-291|last=|first=|publisher=IC Magazines Limited|year=1991|isbn=|location=the University of Virginia|pages=31|language=en}}],
[{{Cite book|url=https://books.google.ca/books?id=rfdPEgTI4VYC&pg=PT99&dq=somali+national+movement+ethiopian+funding&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjnoebUq5XaAhUF42MKHd0NBmcQ6AEIMjAC#v=onepage&q=somali%20national%20movement%20ethiopian%20funding&f=false|title=Somalia on $5 a Day: A Soldier's Story|last=Stanton|first=Martin|date=2009-03-12|publisher=Random House Publishing Group|year=|isbn=9780307546999|location=|pages=|language=en|quote=A low-level guerrilla war continued on the border with Ethiopia between the Ethiopian-backed Somali National Movement}}],
[{{Cite book|url=https://books.google.ca/books?id=vaDkDZmrZmYC&pg=PA82&dq=somali+national+movement+ethiopian&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwia35Xhq5XaAhVBXGMKHR-OAdcQ6AEITDAH|title=Safirka: An American Envoy|last=Bridges|first=Peter|date=2000|publisher=Kent State University Press|year=|isbn=9780873386586|location=|pages=|language=en|quote=Siad Barre had antagonized the largest group of clans in the north, the Isaqs, and many of their men had gone over the border to join the largely Isaq Somali National Movement, or SNM. The Ethiopians, and the Libyans as well, were giving the SNM their support.}}],
[{{Cite book|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=7FoOAQAAMAAJ|title=Africa Confidential|last=|first=|date=1987|publisher=Miramoor Publications Limited|year=|isbn=|location=Indiana University|pages=10|language=en|quote=It was this SNM offensive which led to the February clash when an Ethiopian battalion, backing up the SNM, crossed the border and assaulted Somali troops.}}],
[{{Cite book|url=https://books.google.ca/books?id=FDPj7oeBGHEC&dq=somali+national+movement+mengistu&source=gbs_navlinks_s|title=Scare Tactics: The Politics of International Rivalry|last=Colaresi|first=Michael P.|date=2005|publisher=Syracuse University Press|year=|isbn=9780815630661|location=|page=79|pages=|language=en|quote=}}],
[{{Cite book|url=https://books.google.ca/books?id=DnbhJwRtFwUC&dq|title=Collective Punishment|last=|first=|publisher=Human Rights Watch|year=|isbn=|location=|page=19|pages=|language=en|quote=Another key development in the region in the early 1980s was the formation of the Somali National Movement (SNM), which drew support from the Isaaq clan in northern Somalia. The SNM obtained support from Mengistu's government to fight Siad Barre and the WSLF}}],
[{{Cite book|url=https://books.google.ca/books?id=XSDTK95_-7UC|title=Warfare in Independent Africa|last=Reno|first=William|date=2011-06-13|publisher=Cambridge University Press|year=|isbn=9781139498654|location=|page=154|pages=|language=en|quote=}}],
[{{Cite book|url=https://books.google.ca/books?id=VX8RAQAAMAAJ&q|title=Encyclopedia of Conflicts Since World War II: Palestine-Zimbabwe|last=Ciment|first=James|last2=Hill|first2=Kenneth L.|last3=MacMichael|first3=David|last4=Skutsch|first4=Carl|date=1999|publisher=Sharpe Reference|language=en}}],
[{{Cite book|url=https://books.google.ca/books?id=xsObAAAAMAAJ&q|title=International Society and the de Facto State|last=Pegg|first=Scott|date=1998-01-01|publisher=Ashgate|isbn=9781840144789|language=en}}],
[{{Cite book|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=Vzi6CwAAQBAJ&pg=PA201|title=The Suicidal State in Somalia: The Rise and Fall of the Siad Barre Regime, 1969–1991|last=Ingiriis|first=Mohamed Haji|date=2016-04-01|publisher=UPA|year=|isbn=9780761867203|location=|page=201|pages=|language=en|quote=The Mengistu Support of the SNM was not something ambiguous. Even when they went to full combat, the Ethiopians supported them with artillery and anti tank weapons. This information is corroborated by foreign witnesses.}}],
[{{Cite book|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=Vzi6CwAAQBAJ&pg=PA201|title=The Suicidal State in Somalia: The Rise and Fall of the Siad Barre Regime, 1969–1991|last=Ingiriis|first=Mohamed Haji|date=2016-04-01|publisher=UPA|year=|isbn=9780761867203|location=|page=201|pages=|language=en|quote=However, the Mengistu regime retained supporting the other Somali armed opposition groups well as late as November 1990.}}],
[{{Cite book|title=HALO Humanitarian Mine Action and Cluster Ammunition activities 2016-2020 Annual Report Somaliland/Somalia|last=Kumnova|first=Valon|publisher=The Netherlands Ministry of Foreign Affairs|date=1 September 2016|isbn=|location=United Kingdom|pages=}}],
[{{Cite book|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=gO0zAAAAIAAJ&dq=borama+snm&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=borama|title=Summary of World Broadcasts: Non-Arab Africa|last=Service|first=British Broadcasting Corporation Monitoring|date=|publisher=|year=1987|isbn=|location=|pages=|language=en|quote=Eight soldiers were killed in two trucks belonging to the regime's army which were blown up by SNM at Borama.}}],
[{{Cite book|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=Z9x3HB7M5LgC&pg=PA167&dq=dilla+snm&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiy1o-FtaviAhUYFzQIHQ5iDvwQ6AEILTAB#v=onepage&q=dilla%20snm&f=false|title=Land ohne Staat: Wirtschaft und Gesellschaft im Krieg am Beispiel Somalias|last=Bakonyi|first=Jutta|date=September 2011 |publisher=Campus Verlag|year=|isbn=9783593395289|location=|pages=|language=de}}],
[{{Cite book|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=V8niAAAAMAAJ|title=Africa Contemporary Record: Annual Survey and Documents|last=Legum|first=Colin|date=1992|publisher=Africa Research Limited|language=en}}],
[{{Cite book|url=https://books.google.ca/books?id=mgAEAQAAIAAJ|title=Africa Events|date=1989|publisher=Dar es Salaam Limited|language=en}}],
[{{Cite news|url=http://boramanews.com/somali-news/item/5132-xasuuqii-snm-ee-borama-iyo-dila-oo-26jirsaday-maanta-snm-oo-taalo-geesinimo-hargeysa-looga-taagay-dadkii-ay-gumaadeen-oo-wax-xasuus-ah-loo-samaynin-maxaa-dhacay-4-2-1991kii|title=The Killings of Borama and Dilla of 1991|last=|first=|date=|work=|access-date=}}],
[{{Cite book|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=UmoWAQAAIAAJ|title=Somaliland: Democratisation and Its Discontents|date=2003|publisher=International Crisis Group|language=en}}],
[{{Cite web|url=https://www.africaportal.org/publications/peace-somaliland-indigenous-approach-state-building/|title=Peace in Somaliland: An Indigenous Approach to State-building|last=Walls|first=Michael|last2=Mohammed|first2=Koss|date=2007-12-31|website=Africa Portal|access-date=2019-05-22|last3=Ali|first3=Mohamud Omar}}],
[{{Cite web|url=http://www.awdalpress.com/index/the-second-bigest-crime-and-genocide-happen-recently-in-somaliland/|title=The second bigest crime and Genocide happen recently in Somaliland.|date=2011-12-14|website=Awdalpress.com|language=en-US|access-date=2019-05-21}}],
[{{Cite web|url=https://mareeg.com/somali-diaspora-mark-27th-anniversary-of-borama-and-awdal-citizens-massacre-in-northern-somaliland/|title=Somali Diaspora Mark 27th Anniversary Of Borama And Awdal Citizens Massacre In Northern Somaliland|last=|first=|date=2019-02-05|website=Mareeg.com|language=en-GB|archive-url=|archive-date=|dead-url=|access-date=2019-05-22}}],
[{{Cite book|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=UxmEDwAAQBAJ|title=War and Peace in Somalia: National Grievances, Local Conflict and Al-Shabaab|last=Keating|first=Michael|last2=Waldman|first2=Matt|date=2019-01-01|publisher=Oxford University Press|year=|isbn=9780190058012|location=|pages=|language=en}}],
[{{Cite book|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=YxYOAQAAMAAJ|title=Africa Contemporary Record: Annual Survey and Documents|last=Legum|first=Colin|date=1995|publisher=Africa Research Limited|language=en}}],
[{{Cite web|url=http://allssc.com/2012/02/4-february-is-the-anniversary-of-genocide-in-dilla-and-borama-by-snm-by-suleiman-abdi-dugsiye/|title=4th February is the Anniversary of Genocide in Dilla and Borama by SNM by Suleiman Abdi Dugsiye|last=London|date=2012-02-04|website=Codka, shacabka, SSC, wararkii ugu dambeeyey|language=en-US|access-date=2019-05-21}}],
[{{Cite book|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=sWJzAAAAMAAJ&q=borama+snm&dq=borama+snm&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwig4OPkjcXiAhVpIDQIHaF9ASMQ6AEIPjAE|title=Africa Contemporary Record: Annual Survey and Documents|last=|first=|date=1998|publisher=Africana Publishing Company|year=|isbn=9780841905610|location=|pages=Page B-376|language=en|quote=In the northwest, the SNM assaulted and pillaged Borama, causing about 80,000 people to flee to Ethiopia.}}],
[{{Cite book|url=https://books.google.ca/books?id=_8D0gYZZVKEC|title=Voice and Power|last=Hayward|first=R. J.|last2=Lewis|first2=I. M.|date=2005-08-17|publisher=Routledge|isbn=9781135751753|language=en}}],
[{{Cite book|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=wPlgycWcpzAC|title=Consider Somaliland: State-Building with Traditional Leaders and Institutions|last=Renders|first=Marleen|date=2012-01-20|publisher=BRILL|year=|isbn=9789004218482|location=|pages=|language=en|quote=Under the SNM flag, they attacked non-Isaaq in order to settle local scores about issues such as access to water etc.}}],
[{{Cite book|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=mgAEAQAAIAAJ&q=snm+gadabursi&dq=snm+gadabursi&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjO6uqelMXiAhUWqp4KHZriCMIQ6AEIRDAF|title=Africa Events|last=|first=|date=1989|publisher=Dar es Salaam Limited|year=|isbn=|location=|page=47|pages=|language=en|quote=The civil war raging on in the north is between the SNM Isaks against the Gadabursi in the northwest regions.}}],
[{{Cite book|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=_OV3DwAAQBAJ|title=Return Migration and Nation Building in Africa: Reframing the Somali Diaspora|last=Galipo|first=Adele|date=2018-11-09|publisher=Routledge|year=|isbn=9780429957130|location=|pages=|language=en}}],
[{{Cite book|url=https://books.google.ca/books?id=PBvfTmzsZ-0C|title=Clan Cleansing in Somalia: The Ruinous Legacy of 1991|last=Kapteijns|first=Lidwien|date=2012-12-18|publisher=University of Pennsylvania Press|isbn=9780812207583|language=en}}]. Therefore this page is absolutely legitimate and doesn't warrant deletion in anyway whatsoever.
This should be discussed in the talk pages instead of nominating for deletion. There are many sources that state this massacre took place. I have given over 30 and there are many more aswell.
MustafaO (talk) 13:22, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
the massacre did take place thier were also other massacres committed by the SNM militia such as the massacres of Ogaden refugees in the late 1980s, all these massacres should be highlighted regardless of political views held --Gashaamo (talk) 07:30, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
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