Talk:Doctor Who series 14#Table2

New Discussion for the suggested move based on the name of the current season 2A00:23C6:7C0A:3D01:60C3:29D1:851:335F (talk) 21:32, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

:Okay, so the decision to remain as series 14 has absolutely baffled me.

:it seems that decision was reached even though the argument for changing it was valid and greatly agreed.

:The funny thing is, the picture used for “Series 14” is the dvd cover with literally has the words “Season One” written on the picture.

:i think it would be wise to reopen the discussion and potentially have another vote which is why i created this topic.

:Of course. Please keep it friendly and dont spam it.

:i look forward to hearing everyones thoughts

:- Joey :) 2A00:23C6:7C0A:3D01:60C3:29D1:851:335F (talk) 21:36, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

::Comment: At least wait more than a month before rehashing it. I mean, six months is probably polite. DonQuixote (talk) 21:57, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

::While I am in full support of renaming it Season 1 (yes, the identifying infobox image is quite the conflict), I agree with leaving it be for now. -- Alex_21 _TALK 09:00, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

:::I disagree, six months and season 3 will be in the process of being filmed and there will be a page made by then for it and once it's done, there will be more arguments about changing that title.

:::To put it another way: If not changed before the end of this year, then we will have season 2 titled as series 15 on Wikipedia during the airing of the season two and that's just not right. At all. The last time this hold on the name change was done, season 1 was airing and it still wasn't changed. This change must be done.

:::If this sounds aggressive or demeaning, please do tell me. 69.161.57.181 (talk) 00:12, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

::::Oppose: I think the lead stating: "The marketing for the series refers to it as "Season One", following the production changes and the acquisition of Doctor Who's international broadcasting rights by Disney+" is a more than acceptable compromise, though maybe for the reader's sake it would be better to improve on this and embolden Season One like on other Wikipedia articles where the subject has more than one name. This whole Season 1 (1963), Series 1 (2005), Season 1 (2024) situation is far too confusing for the casual layman and there's no point in confusing it further by renaming this article Doctor Who season 1 (2024) or whatever it'll become.

::::Also, this new series isn't really a reboot to the show like Series 1 in 2005 was, but instead a direct continuation of the 2005 reboot as its 14th series. There hasn't been a massive generational 16-year gap between this new "Season 1" and the 13 seasons or series before it (Power of the Doctor and Star Beast are only 1 year apart) like with the last season of Classic Who in 1989 and the 1st of New Who in 2005, and neither has there been a significant change in the show's formula like there was from 1989 to 2005. The 15th Doctor's era has been a direct narrative continuation to the 14th and 13th Doctors' eras, with the destruction of Gallifrey by The Master, the Flux, the Timeless Child, the Doctor being fostered by Tecteun and the Time Lords, etc all remaining major plot points of this era of the show if the specials and this series are anything to go by. This is different to Series 1 in 2005, which was a reboot with a whole new lore (The Time War, The 9th Doctor, new origin stories for The Master and Cybermen, etc) and, at first, barely any narrative link to the original show that ran from the 1960s to the 1980s. Gallifrey wasn't even mentioned by name until Series 3 for example, despite the new Time War lore that came with the reboot, and neither were the previous incarnations of the Doctor. The narrative gap between Classic Who and 2005 wouldn't even be filled and explained until the 50th anniversary of the show as a whole 8 years later.

::::It's for these reasons that I don't support renaming this article to Season 1. This is the 14th series of the 2005 reboot so the current article name fits the bill. While marketed as Season 1, it is not the first season of a brand new iteration or reboot of the show like Series 1 in 2005 was, and changing its name to Season 1 would cause lots of confusion due to three series of the same show (1963, 2005 and 2024) sharing the same name. This can be easily avoided by keeping the current article name, while also keeping the part of the lead which explains that the series and its successors are marketed as Season 1, Season 2, Season 3, etc due to the Disney+ deal, a suitable compromise for this situation in my opinion. JPowellOBrien (talk) 13:36, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

:::::This is why it's not being moved, unfortunately. Regardless, this isn't a "support"/"oppose" !voting discussion. (Regardless, nobody can provide a Series 14 indentifying image for the infobox.) -- Alex_21 _TALK 01:32, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

:::::I have to argue against it being too confusing for the average layman. The count has been reset. It is as simple as that. No confusion to behold. 69.161.57.181 (talk) 23:33, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

:::::I think the obvious solution here is to not see "Season 1", "Season Two" as an indexed numbering of seasons, but instead to see it as a name for the season.

:::::The first season of this show is called "Season 1", which came out in 1963. The 23rd season has two names, either "Season 23", or "The Trial of a Time Lord".

:::::The 27th season is called "Series 1", and finally, the 40th season has been titled "Season 1", a repeated name, but technically allowed.

:::::My suggestion therefore, is that naming the page "Doctor Who Season 1 (2024)" isn't a suggestion that it's a reboot, it's simply following the American Horror Story format of naming its season pages after the names of the seasons. With the year added simply because disambiguation is required given the 1963 season of the same name.

:::::Is this an pedantically semantic justification for change? yes absolutely. But a legitimate one I think that reconciles the discrepancy between reality, and what the showrunners have decided to name the show. The lede can even be worded in such a way "Season 1 is the 14th season of the rebooted show, and 40th season of the franchise overall". I'm no lede expert so I leave the specific wording to better editors. El Dubs (talk) 21:10, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

::::::Except that for all intents and purposes, on the distributor's end, this is season one, not Doctor Who: Series 14: Season One. ChimaFan12 (talk) 19:37, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

:::::::No one's suggesting "Doctor Who: Series 14: Season One", I'm suggesting "Doctor Who Season 1 (2024)" which is accurate. El Dubs (talk) 23:53, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

:::::How is calling a season of the show as it's titled on all its marketing material, in iPlayer, and all official sources more confusing for a layman than continuing a numbering scheme that would require pre-existing knowledge of how many seasons there were beforehand. Only Who fans are going to know this is "Series 14", if you don't know there's been 13 Reboot Series before this one, there's no simple way to find out what the number is, and that problem's only going to get worse with time as more new fans watch the show without the context of the prior seasons, and old fans forget. Jansencheng (talk) 09:28, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

::Oppose - Common name remains Series 14. Argument for Season One seems to rely largely on marketing and "official" status, and there is precedent for ignoring this in favour of the common name. See Breaking Bad where we only refer to a Season 5 that had two parts and not the official line of there being a Season 5 and then a "Final Season". Rambling Rambler (talk) 15:22, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

:::@Rambling Rambler Can you kindly provide an correct image for the infobox that titles this as Series 14 then, please? -- Alex_21 _TALK 21:33, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

::::Think you've misunderstood what I said. The point is we refer to Breaking Bad's "Final Season" as Part Two of Season 5 and not a wholly separate season as per marketing. So we don't half to follow marketing calling this "season one" when the common name is still series 14. Rambling Rambler (talk) 22:44, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

:::::I understood that; this is not any form of split season (I question what you mean by "half"). Can you kindly provide an correct image for the infobox for this article please? -- Alex_21 _TALK 23:03, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

::::::Ok, so even though the point is that marketing doesn't matter you're just going to demand otherwise. Cool, no point talking further to you then. Rambling Rambler (talk) 23:25, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

:::::::This is more than just marketing. Are you unable to provide a matching identifying image for this article? -- Alex_21 _TALK 23:42, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

:I’m not sure I follow the concern here. Has it not been discussed (or perhaps I missed it) that Season One is not the same as Season 1? The marketing refers to this current season as "Season One," using the word “one,” while the 1963 season uses the numeral "1." I don’t see this as a problem—it’s simply a matter of different conventions being used for two distinct seasons.

:In terms of the broader discussion, it seems this distinction is being missed, and the ongoing confusion over naming conventions might be based on that. Wouldn’t it be more appropriate to focus on clarifying that Season One (2024) is distinct from Season 1 (1963), rather than suggesting they’re the same? In fact, there’s really no need for year clarifiers in the article names. CuriousWanderer42 (talk) 20:21, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

:Oppose.I think Series 14 is the right name for it. Despite the bizarre efforts of the BBC marketing department, it's the common name for the subject, which is transparently a direct continuation of the preceding 13 series, and it's the name people will be looking for it under. Slavishly following the BBC's conventions will only cause confusion.

:Separately, can we please stop constantly rehashing this conversation. There are six previous discussions already, with no consensus. At some point, people are going to have to accept the name for what it is.46.33.135.228 (talk) 15:40, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

::{{tq|Separately, can we please stop constantly rehashing this conversation.}} Is that not exactly what you're doing, for a discussion that hasn't been contributed to for over a month, if not two? (Also, can you provide me a Series 14 home media cover art for the article?) -- Alex_21 _TALK 22:09, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

::because series 14 isn't the name on BBC iPlayer or Disney, it's listed as season 1. This discussion will continue until the title gets aligned to series one. it will never end until this whole matter is corrected. 69.161.57.181 (talk) 23:28, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

:::I can help you with this debate. In France, we use Season 1 and Season 2 for this Modern Era or Whoniverse Era. We did that because it's the actual name of those seasons. It's not Series 14 or 15 anymore, this is what you have to accept. We came to a fair conclusion "If the next showrunner abandonned the renewed numbers and came back as if it's still the Revival Era, then we will modify all our pages". It's our 'job' to provide true informations based on what we know not what we want to share. And now that we're coming to Season 2, that it's commercialized like that by BBC One, Disney+ and even merchandising, then maybe you should change the pages and use Season 1 and Season 2.

:::I know there's only a year between The Power of the Doctor and The Star Beast but RTD explicitly said it was a 'soft-reboot' but it's still a reboot even if it's continuity of the show (but it's actually the same between Classic and Revival Era, even if there's 16 years between the two eras (still with content like Dimensions in Time, the TV Movie, The Curse of Fatal Death or Scream of the Shalka)).

:::My comment, is only here to help you in this debate with kind and not here to be agressive (like some answers I use to receive or see there). Jules71100 (talk) 02:08, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

:Support because this is both the official andcommon name by which the subject of the article is referred. TheHandofFear (talk) 20:12, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

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If it were up to me I'd call it Volume III, Season 1

:Support because this is the name. Period. It should humilate Wikipedia editors that they are the only REAL source blatantly misleading and confusing the public. However, the show is very likely ending at Disney soon and this could all be pointless because the show will either fully stop for years and then return as Season 1 again or revert the seasons number to 16 when it comes back somewhere else in a couple years. 72.128.210.32 (talk) 22:35, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:{{tq|However, the show is very likely ending at Disney soon}} WP:OR and WP:CRYSTAL. -- Alex_21 _TALK 23:25, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

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