Talk:EastEnders#Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marissa Moore

I saw that the page had been vandalized, the first paragraph was replaced with an offensive comment and then a link to a twitter page. I removed the comment, but as the original paragraph had been deleted, I was not able to replace it. The user who replaced it was User:Flimgier, so if anyone can contact them, please do so.— Preceding unsigned comment added by TrippCeyssens (talk • contribs)

I've noticed that the page "{{noredirect|The Queen Victoria}}" has been turned into a redirect following a request to delete in October. This leaves about 300 pages linking to "Queen Vic Fire Week" via that redirect [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere?target=Queen+Vic+Fire+Week&namespace=&hidetrans=1&hidelinks=1&limit=50 and others]. My feeling is that the Queen Vic deserves at least a section of its own, if not a whole page, but I haven't watched EastEnders since 1986, so I'm not in the best place to decide how to proceed. Could we convene a discussion of the regular editors of EastEnders-related pages to figure out how best to move forward?

Pinging {{ping|DaniloDaysOfOurLives|FishLoveHam}} Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 21:52, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

:The page lacked substantial coverage from reliable secondary sources, which are necessary for creating a separate article. The topic of "Queen Victoria Fire Week" was retained, as it is supported by the secondary sources required for an article. As a compromise, expanding the section on Queen Victoria Fire Week to include additional information about the Queen vic itself could be considered if more reliable sources are found. Jontesta (talk) 23:17, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

::But you've missed a very important point. "The Queen Victoria" isn't a "fork" or subtopic of "Queen Vic Fire Week"; it's one of the main locations of "EastEnders", a popular British soap opera. To delete it is a bit like deleting "London" on the grounds that the same material is better covered by "Great Fire of London".

::I don't deny that the article needs work, but a quick google will convince you that substantial coverage exists in numerous independent sources. It could conceivably be reconstituted as a subsection of one of the other pages on EastEnders locations, but I think the best solution would be to reverse the deletion and move forward from there. Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 23:31, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

:::Not a great analogy. London is real. The Queen Vic is fiction and does not exist outside of Eastenders plots, Queen Vic Fire Week being one of them. A section as suggested by Jean-de-Nivelle, seems like a reasonable idea. It could be argued that the Queen Vic could be treated as a "character". --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 10:49, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

::::I don't see that the fictionality of EastEnders particularly invalidates the analogy. The Queen Vic isn't just a fictional pub though - it exists as a real film set (in fact more than one), and the article [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Queen_Victoria&oldid=1250639134 as it existed until recently] contained many details about the physical reality of the set and the real-world development of the fictional place that would be out of place in an article about a particular set of fictional events.

::::I'm not convinced that it makes sense to treat a location as a character, but if we did so, how would that affect the resolution of the current situation? Would the character get a page of its own (like Peggy Mitchell) or would it be listed as one of the EastEnders characters introduced in 1985? Can we learn from articles about other fictional places, like "Hogwarts", or "The Rovers Return"? Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 11:05, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

:::::@Jean-de-Nivelle Start by giving the pub its own section, perhaps under "Setting". It there later proves to be enough content and sources coverage specific to the Queen Vic, then perhaps there is an argument for restoring a separate article, and moving content to there.. Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 15:31, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• {{cite web|url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyjvre95gzo |title=How EastEnders was made, from 'doof doofs' to Angie and Den |first1=Samuel |last1=Spencer |first2=Shola |last2=Lee |date=16 February 2025 |access-date=16 February 2025 |website=BBC News |url-status=live |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250216171800/https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwyjvre95gzo |archive-date=16 February 2025 }}
• {{cite web|url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cq6g3qlv2m6o |title=Cockneys reviewing first EastEnders in 1985: 'Show lacks humour' |date=15 February 2025 |access-date=16 February 2025 |website=BBC News |url-status=live |archive-url=https://archive.ph/6ezpj |archive-date=16 February 2025 }}

FishLoveHam (talk) 17:51, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

Why is your Vicki Fowler profile does it say 2025 instead of 2025- present cause you keep putting that then you take it of it should be 2025- present and not keep being taken of and also on your Ross and Joel profiles it’s says future guest they are not going to be future guests they are going to be future regulars and also on Bex’s profile it did say former regular returning and it was on the returning characters list now it’s not on the returning characters list and it’s says now in bex’s profile former regular she is returning so it should say former regular returning and it should be back on the returning characters list 2A02:C7C:A452:3900:352F:BCC1:ADFE:7EA1 (talk) 23:12, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

Why on your Eastenders Vicki Fowler character profile have you put (2025 present) as if to say that she is leaving sometime in 2025 she is not leaving at all so it should be 2025 present 2A02:C7C:A452:3900:AC5F:1BE:C9F1:6273 (talk) 19:36, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

You need to add Gina Knight to the list of present landlady's of the Vic as you only have Anna Knight added. 81.170.25.219 (talk) 10:42, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

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In the international broadcast section, please know that BritBox typically makes episodes available in the US almost immediately after they are aired in the UK. 2600:4040:7380:E100:D8C2:8186:1F60:41F8 (talk) 02:39, 6 May 2025 (UTC)