Talk:Eastern Creek, New South Wales#Requested move 8 April 2025

Moved from the article to be cleaned up: Ianblair23 10:32, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

:ORIGIN: The Dharug name for Eastern Creek is rendered variously in English as Warrawarry, Wawirrawarry, Warawara & Waawaar Awaa. HISTORY: On 15/4/1791 a party consisting of Governor Phillip, Captains Collins & Tench, Lieutenant Dawes, Surgeon White, 2 sergeants, 8 privates or marines, Collins's personal servant, two Aborigines and 3 convicts left their camp on the south bank of the Hawkesbury River near present Windsor and continued travelling overland toward Richmond Hill (North Richmond), which had been first sighted by Phillip & Hunter in 6/1789, with the objective of exploring the mountain country beyond. Unfortunately Phillip, thrown by the twists of the Hawkesbury River, calculated Richmond Hill to be some kilometres downstream from its true location. They followed Aboriginal tracks along the banks of the Hawkesbury but encountered a wide stream flowing into the river from the south (now South Creek). It was too wide and deep to cross, so they followed it upstream to a shallower point but soon found another stream entering it from their left (McKenzies Ck). They forded this stream and continued along the south creek for some kilometres until stopped by another stream entering from the east (now Eastern Creek). They crossed here and noted that the south creek was now able to be crossed as well. By this point their objective was far away and on the other side of the Hawkesbury River and the party was dispirited. After camping the night and having breakfast on the bank of the east creek they decided to return directly to Rose Hill (Parramatta). The following month Tench and Dawes led a party of just 4 from Parramatta and avoided the mistakes of Phillip's expedition. From Parramatta they picked up their 'breakfast creek' and followed it to its junction with the east creek, continuing to the Hawkesbury by following the south creek. At the Hawkesbury they were only about 3km from Richmond Hill. They were stopped by 'mountainous country' (probably Kurrajong Heights) after climbing from the Hill. From this account it is easy to see how South Creek, Eastern Creek and Breakfast Creek got their names, although during the first half of the 19th century there was debate over which branch was actually Breakfast or Eastern Creek.

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:Eastern Creek, New South Wales → {{no redirect|Eastern Creek}} – Unnecessary disambiguation and inline with other towns that don't need disambiguation (such as Mosman or Bankstown). Per WP:NCAUST. New page already redirects to the current page. Note the existence of Eastern Creek (New South Wales) which is already hatnoted. GMH Melbourne (talk) 06:33, 8 April 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 23:51, 15 April 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Valorrr ^{(lets chat)} 05:39, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Cities, alian Wikipedians' notice board, WikiProject Sydney, and WikiProject Australian places have been notified of this discussion. GMH Melbourne (talk) 07:11, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

• Support The article for the suburb receives on average 21 page views per day vs the creek itself (which is hatnoted) with an average of 3. I believe this demonstrates the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC is clearly the suburb. Dfadden (talk) 12:42, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
• :Oppose I have struck my support as Tomiĉo makes a very compelling argument - I also mostly think of the motorsports complex when I hear the words Eastern Creek. I also note the discussion at Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice board#Requested moves per WP:NCAUST and WP::PRIMARYTOPIC and think we should establish a clear consensus on whether these moves are actually necessary or if we are just creating a mess for ourselves! Dfadden (talk) 20:06, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose moving the suburb page to Eastern Creek. Propose making Eastern Creek a disambiguation page instead. I acknowledge that the suburb gets somewhat more pageviews than the creek (then again, it does have the advantage of Eastern Creek currently redirecting to it, so that isn't a surprise). However, the true topic most likely sought when a reader searches for Eastern Creek is the Eastern Creek Raceway, now officially known as Sydney Motorsport Park but still widely known metonymically as Eastern Creek. A [https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&start=2015-07&end=2025-03&pages=Eastern_Creek|Eastern_Creek,_New_South_Wales|Eastern_Creek_(New_South_Wales)|Eastern_Creek_Raceway|Sydney_Motorsport_Park pageview analysis] shows that the motor racing circuit receives significantly more views than either the suburb or the creek pages, and many of the peaks in the suburb pageviews correspond with greater peaks in pageviews for the motor racing circuit. Therefore, I believe that the motor racing circuit is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, and that we should use a disambiguation page to guide readers there. Tomiĉo (talk) 09:59, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

:Oppose, agree with suggestion that Eastern Creek become a disambiguation page. Minxlyn (talk) 00:36, 24 April 2025 (UTC)