Talk:Ecumene

I propose to merge "Ecumene" and "Oecumene".

Ecumene is Oecumene's derivatives.

Please see this article's notes.--210.139.175.139 (talk) 10:43, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

:I also propose to extend the definition as a geographical term proposed by the German geographer Friedrich Ratzel, and then heavily used in statistics.--210.139.175.139 (talk) 11:14, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

is there enough material in the subsections to have a disambiguation page for them?

Ken M Quirici 19:03, 8 September 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kquirici (talk • contribs)

How does the use of this term in Mumford and McNeill relate to Alfred L. Kroeber's "The ancient oikoumene as an historic culture aggregate", delivered in 1945 as the annual Huxley Memorial Lecture? Being an influential anthropologist, his definition could well have exerted a considerable influence in the field of cultural history. An example of this is Marshall Hodgson, who makes explicit reference to Kroeber in his own adaption of the term:

I have chosen the term 'Oikoumene', in a sense similar to that latterly used by Alfred Kroeber, not just as an area term but to refer to the Afro-Eurasian agrarian historical complex as having a distinctive interregional articulation in an ever-growing area; there seems to be no other term for this complex at all.

– Marshall Hodgson, The venture of Islam (University of Chicago Press, 1974), vol. I, p. 50

I'm not familiar with Kroeber's original definition myself, but judging from the article and this passage from Hodgson, it must differ significantly from McNeill's conception of ouikoumene (and possibly from Mumford's as well). Can anyone help us out with this?--83.249.242.114 (talk) 12:55, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

: Yes Kroeber is prior to Mumford and McNeill but I think it was Toynbee who was influential in the use of oikoumene as a term to describe an extended area where several civilisations were in contact with each other, in Study of History 1933 onwards. McNeill developed this. I would start there with Toynbee. Davdevalle (talk) 15:39, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Former section commented out below, pending some indication of how this use is common and {{sc|notable}} instead of simply unpopular jargon coined by a single scholar:

If the section is to be reïncluded, it needs clarification of how "ecumene" supposedly "defines the relations between the geographical and natural environment and the conceptions of nature" because that phrase—as it stands—has no semantic content whatsoever. — LlywelynII 17:51, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Per {{sc|wp:ligature}}, we just don't use it for our English running text at all. — LlywelynII 23:30, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

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   I added (following "The Greek term") "cited above," bcz WP:NOTaDICT, & placing paren around that phrase makes it a mere clarification, i.e., keeping it from being part of the mainstream of the article's flow.
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