Talk:Efforts to impeach Donald Trump#Requested move 7 June 2025

I think in the scenario that significant efforts arise in his second presidency: we should have a separate articles for those

This article is LENGTHY

And any efforts in his second presidency will involve a new congress (at minimum four-years removed from his previous presidency), and will likely pertain to separate matters.

I propose some split between the presidencies if such efforts arise.

This article might be re-titled something like Efforts to impeach Donald Trump during his first presidency while efforts in a second presidency might eventually populate Efforts to impeach Donald Trump during his second presidency

Early-on, efforts this second presidency might be best initially relegated to a sub-section in the main article of the presidency, only spun-off to a separate article when there is more to write about SecretName101 (talk) 20:09, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

: We have not done so for previous two-term presidents (Efforts to impeach George W. Bush; Efforts to impeach Barack Obama), so I see no reason to expect this to be different. It's a bridge we can cross if we come to any actual change in circumstances in the future. BD2412 T 20:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

:I feel like this is almost assured thing to happen, noting that obviously don't change anything yet, as its still wp:crystal. The efforts against George W. Bush and Barack Obama were, comparatively, much more minor, never really reaching beyond the "tilting at windmills" phase. The most supported of the four resolutions to launch an inquiry against Bush earned only 38 co-sponsors. And from the Obama impeachment article "Obama was the first president since Jimmy Carter to not have any articles of impeachment referred against him to the House Judiciary Committee". I would support a split to Efforts to impeach Donald Trump (first presidency) and Efforts to impeach Donald Trump (second presidency), considering the gap in time and length. There's also the argument to be made, however, that this article should be much trimmed down and serve more as a list (although i don't know if i'd support change to an actual MOS:LIST format) of impeachment efforts. An impeachment (i.e. the standard for a stand alone article which is an actual impeachment resolution passing the House) seems unlikely in the 2025-2027 term, however it seems likely in the 2027-2029 term considering the party in the White House usually loses control of the House in the midterms. Should the new article be titled Third impeachment of Donald Trump, or should all Trump impeachment articles be retitled, say, by year? This is far, far, far in crystal territory, though, but actually needs to be considered if we are going to be making these changes to this article when the first resolutions are introduced, which it wouldn't surprise me if they are introduced immediately on January 3 2025 (first day of new term). </MarkiPoli> <talk /><cont /> 03:53, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

:When new attempts are made to impeach him, we should create a new section for this article and spin it out once it has sufficient coverage in reliable sources. Then we can consider whether there should be one, two or three articles. Most likely the Dems will get their congressional majority back in 2026 and impeach Trump another one or more times.

:I agree that Trump's two presidencies should be treated separately. However, it's best to leave the discussion about impeachment attempts to when they arise, probably the end of January. TFD (talk) 07:59, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

:Al Green has discussed intent to file articles of impeachment at least twice since January, and supposedly will file them within 30 days. That aside, there has been general talk and demand among scholars, analysts, and sitting Congresspeople about impeachment given the spamming executive orders of dubious legality and refusal to heed some court orders. Based on this article's current structure those would at a minimum fall under 'early developments'. I think it's time to decide between updating this article or creating a new one. GuitarHeroAero (talk) 19:43, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

:: This low-attended discussion aside, there has been no formal process to move or split this article. This is obviously a highly controversial topic, and the process required by Wikipedia:Requested moves is not optional in such circumstances. BD2412 T 02:12, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:::@BD2412 it was not a split. Second term is a separate subject from the scope this article was written for. What occurred was the creation of an article on a new subject, and retitling this article to disambiguate the two. That was not a split. It was a new article creation. And the move was a technical move for clear disambiguation needs. SecretName101 (talk) 12:20, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

:::: We have these articles on a half dozen other figures, and none of our previous two-term presidents (or, in one case, vice-presidents) have a separate article for their second term. BD2412 T 15:28, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

Impeachment articles went through but failed

344-79 2601:989:4201:30E0:FC61:6508:D9E3:7633 (talk) 00:05, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

: I think you mean were brought but failed. That has happened a few times to all recent presidents. BD2412 T 00:53, 25 June 2025 (UTC)